411's TNA No Surrender Report 09.05.10
Posted by Chris Lansdell on 09.05.2010
Mr. Anderson defeated the Pope D’Angelo Dinero in the main event of No Surrender! Elsewhere, Kurt Angle and Jeff Hardy battled to a time limit draw and two overtime periods before the match was ruled a no contest, AJ Styles made Tommy Dreamer quit, the Motor City Machine Guns retained the TNA Tag Team Titles and much more! Check out 411’s complete TNA No Surrender report for all the details!
Welcome one and all to the No Surrender report! A last-minute change has taken London Brawling off the card and replaced them with Generation Me. The rest of the card is a mixed bag, but let's give it a shot.
And now for this month's guest hosts...
The TNA Booking Team The Goof Troop!
HAJIME!
We see the four semi-finalists arriving at the arena for the PPV. Then we get pre-recorded comments from them, with nothing new being said.
Oh God. Pray for me, my fingers won't be able to keep up here. I'm trying to figure out where I've seen those black studded leather jackets before. Cook's basement I think.
And we're off, Shelley and Jeremy to start. Shelley gets a hammerlock, reversed by Jeremy. Shelley into a top wristlock, they roll into a quick pin for two, exchange near falls and Max tags in. Front facelock by Shelley, tag to Sabin and he gets a shoulder block takedown. They exchange armlocks and both go for a dropkick. Jeremy and Shelley back in now, Shelley gets a headlock and a shoulder block. STIFF back elbow by Jeremy and a pair of arm drags puts Gen Me in control. Tag to Max who coms in with a corkscrew splash to the arm. Tag back to Jeremy who double stomps the arm from the top. Arm wringer by Jeremy and a jawbreaker. Blind tag to Sabin and there's the double team toehold/deathlock/dropkick for 2. Elbow drop by Sabin gets 2 more. Tag to Shelley, he gets a spinebuster and locks in the billy goat's purse! Max breaks the hold and Jeremy gets a boot to a charging Sabin then a crossbody to Shelley. Max tags in, takes out Shelley then MATRIX BACKFLIPS to avoid a clothesline! Awesome. Bulldog to Sabin from a wheelbarrow gets 2.8. He kicks Shelley off the apron then runs up top and hits a cutter for 2 more. SWEET. Tag to Jeremy, they set up for More Bang but Shelley gets the blind tag and saves his partner. Enziguiri by Sabin, Shelley with a kick off the top for 2. Shelley tries the Shiranui on Max, Max pushes him off but gets kicked in the back. Shelley tries to springboard in but Jeremy stops him and hits a neckbreaker on the apron. Max covers for 2. Jeremy in, Shelley blocks the suplex attempt but his neck hurts too much to get one of his own. Tag to Max, double hip toss and double basement dropkick get 2. Max with a snap mare and a chinlock, Shelley fights out but eats a dropkick. Jeremy tags in and gets 2. It's MASTERLOCK TIME! Shelley breaks it, elbows free but gets kicked in the back by Max. Gen Me try a double team drop kick but miss and here comes Sabin! Kicks and dropkicks for all! Flying forearms! He is a house! En! FUEGO~! Springboard DDT! 1...2... Jeremy breaks it up and gets tossed to the floor. Sabin gets caught with a springboard dropkick knocking him to the floor, Jeremy is kicked off the apron, and Shelley flies out with a suicide dive! Sabin and Mac exchange shots in the ring, Sabin with a knee to the gut but Max blocks the tornado DDT and Gen Me works a double-team tornado inverted DDT. SWANK spin kick to the face of Shelley, followed by a dropkick. More Bang for your Buck coming...Sabin avoids both parts! SUPERKICK by Shelley to Jeremy! SUPERKICK to Shelley by Max! SUPERKICK by Sabin! The Guns get a double superkick to Max! Neckbreaker/frog splash combo!!!! 1...2...3!
Winners: Motor City Machine Guns via pinfall (Sabin on Jeremy, Skull n Bones) Rating: ***3/4Spotfest, but a decent one.
Generation Me attacks after the bell, and it's a brutal one. They throw Sabin to the floor then drag Shelley under the bottom rope...ELEVATED DDT FROM APRON TO FLOOR!!! Gen Me retreat and laugh as EMTs tend to Shelley.
Sabu appears to be wearing a shower curtain. They exchange basic holds and Sabu ends up on top with a head scissors. Williams breaks the hold and goes for an ankle, but Sabu makes the ropes. Headlock takedown by Sabu. More exchanges and rope breaks. Williams takes control with a headbutt to the gut (that rhymes!) but gets decked with a clothesline. Somersault slingshot legdrop by Sabu, followed by the modified camel clutch. Williams makes the rope and goes to the floor, where he gets hit with a baseball slide and a tope con hilo to the floor. Sabu has a table, which will do him no good. Williams takes advantage of Sabu setting up the table and nails him from behind. Back inside, second-rope European gets two for Williams. Running knee in the corner and Williams goes up top...Sabu cuts him off! Sabu BOTCHES a top rope rana. He goes outside for a chair, which will also do him no good. Triple Jump Quebrada gets two for Sabu. I guess he can use the chair for that. Sabu runs and gets tripped up, hitting the chair face-first. Knee drop gets 2 for Williams. Whip by Williams, he charges and Sabu gets his foot up. Williams catches the foot and kicks Sabu in the...inner thigh. Williams takes control and hits another knee drop for 2 more. Sabu tees off with a slap and gets a boot to a charging Williams, then NAILS a springboard DDT. 2 count only. Springboard back elbow. You know a match uses too many springboards when my word processing program is auto completing it. Sabu sets up the chair and leaps off it into Williams in the corner. I think it was meant to be a kick. Sabu charges again but Williams kicks the chair into Sabu and gets a gutwremch suplex for two. How is kicking the chair into him not a DQ? Waistlock by Williams, Sabu breaks free and hits a clothesline. Williams goes to the floor, Sabu sets a chair and runs...jumps...botches, loses his balance and settles for a slingshot shoulder block to the outside. He puts Williams on the table but just bends him over it...this won't end well. Sabu with the slingshot tope...Williams moves, Sabu goes through the table. I hear a whistle, where's Fonzie? Williams goes to use the chair, Hebner takes it away and Williams WHACKS Sabu with the belt! CHEAP FINISH. 1...2...3.
Winner: Douglas Williams via pinfall (belt shot) Rating: **¼Too many botches, cheap finish but otherwise not bad. Standard Sabu match.
Christy Hemme is with Mr. Anderson, who doesn't care if Pope likes him. He's here to win. He gets the crowd to chant that they are assholes. Wow, some people will do anything.
Velvet Sky vs. Madison Rayne
Good Lord Madison and Tara are in leather. Ahem...DAT AZZ...squared! Been a while since I got to say that. I love you cameraman. Good grief.
Tara grabs Sky's leg, Rayne attacks from behind and we're underway. Rayne with a choke in the corner, Sky comes back with some chops but she gets leveled. Rayne mounts her and lays in some punches, then chokes her some more. Cravate applied, then Rayne just throws Sky down. Camel clutch now applied by Rayne, then she drops down on Sky's back. She tries again but Sky turns and gets her knees up, then SLAPS the taste out of Rayne's mouth. Last time I saw someone get slapped that hard was when Small tried to put a dollar bill in the stripper's thong and then grab some ass. Tara distracts the ref while Sky has a schoolgirl, by the time he comes back in Rayne has kicked out. Clothesline levels Sky. SCISSOR STOMP by Rayne! 1...2...no. Whip is reversed, Rayne tries to go up and over but Sky catches her and drops her on her face. How she landed flat I will never know. Series of clotheslines by Sky and a back elbow, a whip is reversed but Rayne drops her head and eats a kick. Sky mounts and pounds away, then gets a bulldog. Cover and Tara yanks Sky outside. Tara goes to use the helmet on Sky but Angelina saves the day with a kick to the back of Tara! Back inside and Rayne goes for Sole Food...countered! Jumping DDT by Sky! 1...2...3!
Winner: Velvet Sky via pinfall (jumping DDT) Rating: *3/4Meh.
Hemme is with Jeff Hardy, who says he's winning for RVD. Short backstage segments tonight.
Falls Count Anywhere Match: Rhino vs. Abyss
Rhino blitzes Abyss during his entrance and lays into him. He rolls him into the ring and tosses in some PLUNDAH. He wedges a trash can in the corner then hits a slingshot crossbody to the floor! They fight on the floor and end up in the parking garage as we play a game of walk, punch, walk, punch. Rhino throws Abyss into a chainlink fence a couple times, Abyss throws Rhino into a metal trash can. More walk-punch. Abyss slams Rhino's head into a plastic table as they come back inside. There's a dude in a wheelchair, use the wheelchair! Maybe not. Back into the ring they go, Rhino in control now. Whip reversed, Rhino blocks the hiptoss and clotheslines Abyss down. Shots in the corner but Abyss reverses a whip and sends Rhino into the trash can he set up. Back out of the ring they go, they walk up the side of the ramp and Rhino gets whipped into the railing for 2. Rhino blocks a whip, kicks Abyss in the gut and throws him through the particle board under the stage. There's no room to stand up under there but the ref has gone in with them and...we can't see shit. Rhino comes shooting out through an obviously-hinged part of the stage support and Abyss gets a 2 count. Abyss yanks a piece of railing free and brings it into the ring, then props it in the corner. This can't end well. He whips Rhino into it but Rhino avoids the railing and hits a big flying clothesline. He nails Abyss in the head with a cookie sheet three times, then hits a shoulder charge in the corner and a belly to belly slam. He sets for the Gore...GOOZLE! Chokeslam into the trash can! 1...2...no! Abyss goes to fetch Janice but would rather intimidate the ref than kill Rhino. GORE! GORE! GORE! 1...2...2.9!!! Rhino is surprised but whips Abyss in and charges into a boot. BLACK HOLE SLAM! 1...2...NO! Abyss sets for a powerbomb into the railing in the corner! Rhino escapes and gets hit with a clothesline. A second Gore...Abyss moves! Rhino Gores the railing! BLACK HOLE SLAM! 1...2...3!
Winner: Abyss via pinfall (Black Hole Slam) Rating: **Too much walk-punch, not enough use of the stipulation and very tame for these two men.
Video package for Nash and Sting vs Joe and Jarrett.
Sting and Kevin Nash vs. Jeff Jarrett and Samoa Joe
Sting and Nash come out to the Wolfpac music. Jarrett still looks young somehow. Freshly married too.
Joe and Sting to start. Nash distracts Joe, Sting chokes Jarrett on the apron, Joe goes to make the save and Nash attacks him. Joe recovers, gets control and dropkicks Nash, then hits the charging back elbow and enziguiri to Sting. Jarrett tags in and gets the 10-count punches and a clothesline for 2. Sting reverses a whip, Nash nails him from behind and Sting gets a clothesline. Nash tags in and lays in some right hands, Jarrett mounts a comeback which is cut off by a knee. Snake eyes and a side slam by Nash get 2. Knees in the corner by Nash, tag to Sting who by the way has kept his shirt on. Boots and rights to Jarrett, then Sting goes to work on the arm. Whip and a Stinger Splash. Sting to the top...Jarrett gets the knees up. Jarrett gets the tag but the ref was dealing with Nash and did not see. Sting and Jarrett get a double clothesline. HOT TAG to Joe! Clotheslines for all, big boot to Sting and a back splash! Sting reverses a whip, Joe ducks the clothesline and hits a tope suicida to the floor!!! Jarrett kicks Sting but gets stun-gunned. Jarrett has Sting's bat! Stinger splash...EATS BAT! Another bat shot by Jarrett! Kokina Klutch locked in on Sting...He's out!
Winners: Samoa Joe and Jeff Jarrett by technical submission (Joe on Sting, Kokina Klutch) Rating: *3/4 Nothing here. Not even sure what the point of this was.
AJ is out first and is pulling the old "hide from my opponent to ambush him when he comes out" routine. It doesn't work. Dreamer beats on Styles down the ramp and snaps his neck over the top rope. There's the bell and Dreamer gets a single-leg takedown and tries a cloverleaf. AJ kicks him off and charges, Dreamer back drops him to the floor. Rear chinlock on the floor, crushing AJ's head into the corner post. Nasty. AJ does not quit. They exchange chops, Tommy loses but then hits a right hand. Back inside and Tommy applies a full nelson camel clutch variant. AJ slides out , drops down and then kicks Dreamer in the face. AJ fish-hooks Dreamer's mouth and uhhh...yeah. The ref asks if he quits. AJ whips Tommy in and charges, Tommy moves and AJ nails the corner post. Tommy tries a crossface but AJ escapes to the floor. Tommy with a clothesline from the apron to the floor. Tommy tries a suplex on the floor, AJ blocks and suplexes Tommy on the ramp. AJ tries for the figure four but Tommy takes a light from the entrance ramp and nails AJ with it! He hits him again, then wraps the wire around AJ's mouth and applies a crossface! SHADES OF BENOIT! AJ holds on and is able to escape the hold, then whips Dreamer into the apron. Leaping clothesline by AJ. He removes the ringside padding and looks for the Styles Clash...countered! Dreamer goes for a DVD, AJ escapes but then clotheslines the cornerpost! Shoulder breaker by Tommy! He throws a chair inside then rolls AJ in. Tommy in now, he applies an armbar and the ref asks if he wants to quit. He tells Dreamer he sucks which earns him a smack in the mouth. Dreamer Pillmanizes the arm and then applies a top wristlock through the chair. AJ goes to the eye to break the hold, then goes to his kneepad for...A FORK!!! Tommy blocks the attack, hits a single-arm DDT and then applies a crossface. AJ inches to the ropes and gets to the floor, where Tommy is nice enough to introduce AJ's arm to the steps. He then wraps AJ's arm around the railing, which also has to suck. AJ manages to get in position to lift Dreamer for a back suplex then crotch him on the railing. AJ stomps on the knee, then lifts the railing and drops it on Tommy's knee. He wraps Tommy's knee around the railing, then rolls him back inside. Figure four blocked as Dreamer kicks AJ off, but AJ kicks him in the knee. AJ goes to the floor and crotches Tommy around the post, then locks in the figure four around the post! Shades of Bret Hart! AJ cannot maintain the hold, they go back inside and AJ gets a kneebreaker on the chair. Figure four applied and locked in this time, Dreamer will not quit. He tries to turn the hold...he turns it! AJ manages to break free, Dreamer sets up the chair but AJ slams his face into it. AJ positions Tommy's head on the chair and takes a run...Tommy moves! AJ's leg gets caught in the chair and Tommy wraps it up in a cloverleaf variant! AJ goes for the fork so Tommy breaks the hold and stomps on his hand. Tommy has the fork but AJ nails a Pele! Tommy to the floor, AJ runs and flies...GOD DAMN Tommy NAILED a kendo stick to the head while AJ was in midair! Another kendo shot, pump handle....overhead slam! Tommy takes off the shirt...KENDO STICK CROSSFACE! Tommy bends the stick back over AJ's face and it looks NASTY. AJ has ANOTHER FORK! He jabs Dreamer...I think he got him in the eye! Dropkick by AJ and he digs the fork into Tommy's EYE! JESUS. Tommy squeals like a pig and finally has to quit to keep his vision. Damn.
Winner: AJ Styles via submission (GHETTO FORK eye gouge) Rating: ***½I can get behind this sort of match when there is good action and when the spots are different. This did both things.
Hemme is with Angle now. Same deal as before.
TNA World Title Tournament Semifinal Bout: Kurt Angle vs. Jeff Hardy
Wow, Anderson and Pope in the main. We have at least an hour to fill yet.
Angle and Jeff lock up. Angle gets a facelock, Jeff gets the ropes. Duelling chants as you'd expect. Headlock for Jeff now. He gets a shoulder block then grabs the headlock again. Angle backs Jeff to the corner and lays in some right hands, Jeff blocks a suples and gets a gourdbuster and a basement dropkick for two. Shots in the corner, he charges into Angle's elbow then gets SNAPPED DOWN with a sick powerbomb. Angle locks in a tight rear chinlock and leans on Jeff for added effect. Jeff fights out but gets taken down with a clothesline for 2. Rear waistlock by Angle now, Jeff elbows out and gets a series of clotheslines. Dropkick by Jeff and a mule kick in the corner (on the second attempt...BOTCH on the first) gets 2. Whip reversed, Jeff gets his boots up to meet the charge but then runs into a belly to belly suplex for 2. Chinlock applied by Angle, Jeff counters with a jawbreaker. Jeff to the top...Angle runs up the ropes and hits the belly to belly!! 1...2...no! Angle Slam countered to an arm drag, TWIST OF FATE! 1...2...2.87! Jeff to the top...SWANTON hits mat! Angle Slam! 1...2...2.88! Jeff kicks off the ankle lock, GERMAN! Another! Another!
Vun...two...three! Drei Deutschelanderplexen! Ah ah ah ahhhhh
Two count only for Angle. He looks frustrated but goes up top...MOONSAULT hits mat! Whisper in the Wind! 1...2...2.903!!! Both men roll to the floor, Jeff hits the Twist of Fate on the floor! Jeff goes up top...SWANTON TO THE FLOOR!!! Wow, the crowd had almost NO reaction to that. Guess they're used to him doing that from 30-foot ladders. Ref is at a 7 count. Angle is in at 8, Jeff at 9. They meet mid-ring on their knees and exchange blows. On their feet, Kurt avoids the Twist and GERMAN! Kurt up top again...FROG SPLASH!!! 1...2...2.929! This is awesome, says Orlando. Angle is looking a little worse for wear but at least he's moving. He sets for a powerbomb, Jeff with the back drop! TWIST OF FATE! 1...2...no!!! Legdrop by Hardy, he goes up top...SWANTON!!! 1...2...2.945! Up top again...SWANTON! 1...2...2.68!!! A third time Jeff to the top...SWAN-KNEES! Angle Slam! 1...2...2.81!!!! Lord have mercy. Ankle lock applied! Jeff's a long way from the ropes, but managed to roll through and send Kurt to the floor! Jeff with a clothesline off the apron to the floor and both men are down. Back inside, Angle picks the leg! Ankle lock! Jeff tries to use the free leg but Angle fights it off...Jeff makes the ropes, Angle drags him to the middle! Jeff FINALLY gets the free leg around to kick Angle off, Angle comes through with a clothesline for two. Ankle lock again! Jeff looks lost, he can't find his best option! He tries to roll but Angle steps through and maintains the hold! Again Jeff makes the ropes, again Angle pulls him off! Angle drops and grapevines and that normally means the end...Jeff STILL won't tap! I could have sworn if the guy touched the ropes then the hold had to be broken. Jeff is still fighting the hold...the bell rings! Jeff did NOT tap! TIME LIMIT DRAW!!! Yeah, it was a full 20 minutes too. Well well well, now what do we do?
Winner: Nobody via time expired. Rating...wait a second! Eric Bischoff's music hits, he comes down and talks to Dixie Carter at ringside and says they will add another five minutes. Hardy is having trouble standing...the bell rings, Angle goes right to the ankle and stamps on it. More leg work by Angle...and there's the ankle lock again! Angle turns around and Jeff uses that momentum to kick Angle to the floor. Jeff can barely stand but manages to kick Angle through the ropes and take him to the steel steps. Back inside, Jeff limps his way to the top. This can't be good. Angle crotches him, lays in some shots...SUPER ANGLE SLAM!!! Both men are down! Angle covers! 1...2...NO!!! I just realised that maybe Pope's good news that he tweeted about was that he was winning the title tonight. Angle charges and gets backdropped to the floor as we have a minute and change left. Kurt gets back in at the 9 count. O'Connor roll by Angle! 1...2...no! Double clothesline! Angle covers Jeff with 4 seconds left! 1...2...No! Time's up! Now what? Five MORE minutes, says Bischoff.
Angle charges and lays in some shots, then chokes Jeff in the corner with his boot. More shots in the corner now. Jeff is still selling the ankle, good man. Shoulders in the corner by Angle, he charges and nails the post shoulder first. Best plan when someone is running at you with murderous intent? Move. Jeff takes Angle to the steps twice, a third time now, then rolls back inside. Angle is bleeding badly. He rolls inside at the 9 count, only for Jeff to lock in the Boston Crab. That's actually closer to the Walls of Jericho. Angle looks to be fading, his arm drops twice but he's still with us! Angle rolls through...ANKLE LOCK! Blood pouring out of Angle's head, Jeff has 10 seconds to hang on...HE HANGS ON!!! Two overtimes, no winner. Bischoff is in the ring and says they need someone to check on Kurt's head. Is this WWE all of a sudden? Bischoff is talking to someone on a headset, but since they said Hogan is not there and Dixie is at ringside I have no idea who that could be. He has a mic...he says trainers are telling them that the cut is too deep on Angle's head and the match is a no contest! Wow. They couldn't just go with the time limit?
Winner: Nobody via Kurt bleeding. Rating: ****¼Without the weird finish this would have been higher. Awesome match between these two that didn't even suffer from the two overtime periods.
Hemme is now with Pope, who says he is going to give TNA an enema and the first thing that comes out will be Anderson. Wow that's a lovely image.
TNA World Title Tournament Semifinal Bout: Mr. Anderson vs. The Pope D'Angelo Dinero
I fully expect an announcement that this is for the title. Anderson is out first, but Borash does his intro. BOO. Boy this is a lousy time to have no Impact on Thursday. Just throwing that out there.
They lock up and roll around the ropes a couple of times. Go-behind by Anderson, waistlock takedown and Pope slides out into a hammerlock. Anderson reverses, then Pope escapes to a facelock. Anderson escapes into a hammerlock but Pope stands up and kicks Anderson in the chest. Anderson tees off with a right and SLOBBERKNOCKER! Anderson comes out on top and after some stalling gets a kick to the gut and some right hands in to corner. He charges into a boot, Pope grabs the arm and hits a single-arm DDT. Hammerlock back suplex by Pope. He goes to work on the arm now, then kicks Anderson in the head. Hammerlock body slam gets 2. Kimmura applied by Pope, Anderson escapes and gets a clothesline. A series of them followed by a back elbow and...A SPIN KICK?!!?! 1...2...no! Jesus that was sweet. Anderson drops his head and gets kicked in it, but he ducks under a flying shoulder tackle and Pope lands badly on the shoulder. Anderson hammerlocks the arm and rams Pope into the top turnbuckle. Pope fires back with some forearms but charges into a boot. Clothesline by Anderson gets 2. Top wristlock by Anderson, Pope fights free but gets kneed in the gut for 2. Hammerlock back suplex for 2 more. More shots from Anderson, Pope reverses a whip and both men are down. Pope with a series of forearms and clotheslines, an inverted atomic drop and a flying shoulder tackle. Boss Man Attack by Pope gets 2. He stamps on Anderson's face then goes up top, Anderson catches him and goes for a superplex...Pope fights it...Anderson fights back...top rope superplex...Pope headbutts Anderson, who gets crotched on the top rope and falls to the floor! Pope on the top...FLIES and nails Anderson! Back inside, Pope gets the cover...1...2...no. Pope sets for the DDE...countered into a Mic Check...countered...Anderson counters again...Finlay Roll! 1...2...No! Pope with a kick to the cut, uppercut...reverse lungblower! 1...2...2.7! Pope goes for the Mic Check, Anderson reverses into one of his own but Pope gets an arm drag. Mic Check again...CONNECTS! 1...2...no!!! Pope fights back in the corner with a series of shots and stomps, tries the DDE...Anderson moves! Pope lands on the second rope on his feet, tries to jump into Anderson...MIC CHECK!!! 1...2...3!
Winner:Mr. Anderson via pinfall (Mic Check) Rating: **½What a letdown after the previous match. Felt disjointed and off.
Anderson makes a paper plane out of one of Dinero's bank notes, Pope flips him the double bird and it almost looks like they're stalling for time. Anderson calls for the mic and announces himself as the winner.
TNA is gonna get buried here real quick....and rightfully so.
Posted By: Max (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 10:59 PM
I almost feel bad for the 7,000 people that paid for this PPV.....just so sick people still defend tna.....
Posted By: perez (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:00 PM
"I'm trying to figure out where I've seen those black studded leather jackets before. Cook's basement I think."
Who told you what I keep in my basement?
Posted By: Steve Cook (Registered) on September 05, 2010 at 11:00 PM
I think it may be time to charge the TNA 'free admission cast members' a fee to attend. That was just brutal.
Posted By: Chungles (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:00 PM
worst ppv of the year, the best match was ruined by russo booking. yawn.
Posted By: Guest#6084 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:00 PM
TNA is all over the place. This is why they need to get the belt on Hogan, and try to get back on track. Every show just seems like chaos.
Posted By: Guest#1349 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:01 PM
I was about to start thinking about putting Angle/Hardy as a MOTY candidate. THEN, they started kicking out of all their finishers for no reason, and the finish bombed big time. Let me guess-Angle/Hardy rematch on iMPACT?!?! Who cares?
Posted By: Quincy Bones (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:02 PM
what was more of a spotfest? mcmgs/gme or hardy/angle?
either way, lets not start doing the usual tna 'overrating matches' thing...
Posted By: Guest#6670 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:03 PM
BAIT
AND
SWITCH
Posted By: IWC Member #900001 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:05 PM
Well if you've ever really needed an example of a great match ruined by a SHIT finish, Hardy/Angle pretty much jumped to the top of the list...
I mean holy hell what a load.
Posted By: Guest#9987 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:05 PM
Fuck Russo. Summerslam sucked too but not like this.
Posted By: Guest#9863 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:06 PM
did anyone commenting watch the ppv? the iwc is full of idiots.
Posted By: Mr1700 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:06 PM
WHAT THE FUCK was with the time limit draws?! There was no purpose to for it to happen repeatedly since they decided to go with the fuck finish of Angle being "cut deep".
I was willing to believe TNA would get their shit together on the road to Bound for Glory, but add this to the fact that there is NO IMPACT this week, and I'm seriously having doubts for BFG.
Seriously, we had Sting passing the torch to Styles during their World Title Match 1 year ago, and now we have a Championship Match at BFG with no champion and Mr. Anderson in the main event...
UGH!
Posted By: Guest#4204 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:09 PM
Other than the Anderson/Pope rating, I agree w/ the ratings. I thought it was a good show(better than Summerslam), but not great.
Posted By: JD Nash (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:11 PM
"did anyone commenting watch the ppv? the iwc is full of idiots.
Posted By: Mr1700 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:06 PM"
You leave a comment, you're part of us. Idiot.
Posted By: Guest#9941 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:12 PM
lol the booking team is the Goof troop. I probably shouldn't laugh at that, but I couldn't help myself
by the way it will be a 3-way match at BFG
the main event shouldn't have been the main event but it was because TNA had the no finish for the Angle match.
I didn't think it was that bad but given I was jumping out of my seat for the Angle/Hardy match I was let down too.
With that said AJ and Dreamer also had a great match. I mean damn it was lots of fun with a great ending. Definantly 2nd favorite match. And I can always enjoy a nice spot fest from the Guns and Gen Me.
Posted By: Guest#5701 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:14 PM
Since when does a ppv with 3 great matches=Worst of the year?
Oh I forgot these are trolls that didn't even watch the show and shit on it for fun.
Posted By: random (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:14 PM
I consider myself a TNA fan and have watched almost every impact this year. That being said, other than a couple of action-filled matches, this PPV sounds fucking awful. Why the hell would Angle/Hardy not get top billing? They would get better revenues from promoting it as such. Plus they can't even use the "We don't want to promote a main event with 2 ex-WWE superstars" excuse, since it was anyway! At least WWE fans might pay to see Angle/Hardy, where Kennedy/Burke doesn't quite have the same pull. Monstrous Failure.
Posted By: James (Registered) (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:14 PM
"Give me my fucking elbowpad!" Lol, man. Anderson really played up the asshole thing after that match. I almost felt bad for Pope. Dude got owned and just had to walk to the back in shame.
Posted By: AsoTamaki (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:16 PM
I watched the PPV, and it sucked. Just wanna make it clear that I am not a diehard fan for either WWE or TNA. I am a casual wresting fan.
Dunno why Anderson/Pope was mainevent, such a let down.
The Angle/Hardy match has a retarded finish.
The Guns was perfect for an opening match, it was a hot match to get the crowd and the people who bought the ppv into it. But it still came off like a TV match.
I am not sure how the TNA fans are gonna feel about this one. I am sure they can come up with something to say to defend it.
Posted By: Anthonio (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:16 PM
Bischoff looks as if he is already checked out of TNA.
As for the match, I agree with the comment above. THAT was a prime example of how a great match can be RUINED by a terrible ending.....
Posted By: Vic (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:16 PM
Tna can't NOT fail…
Posted By: epic kid (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:16 PM
Not surprised by the results of the Semi-Finals. TNA has had the BFG website live for a few weeks and the wall paper features Anderson, Hardy and Angle so I assumed it was going be a Triple Threat for the title.
My guess for "THEY": Haas and Benjamin reuniting Team Angle with Kurt allowing him to win the title. You read it here first.. i think.. havent seen anyone else drop that opinion yet
Posted By: Jarred Giles (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:18 PM
hulk hogan's not at a ppv and its a clusterfuck. i cant see why they have ppvs without their biggest star. he basically built tna from scratch. but now your holding ppvs without him. ponderous...fucking ponderous.
Posted By: Guest#2386 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:21 PM
well i did see the ppv--it waas a great stream by the way.. overall ppv was decent for tna standards..the Hardy angle match should have been the main event-no doubt about it. You could of ran out of time then said were gonna go till were off the air then had it end in a no contest---BUT then you stop it due to blood and a deep cut?? have you not seen the flair matchges youve given us lately?? Glad theres no impact next week--i need the extra week to get over this russo shit!
Posted By: fredo (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:22 PM
"hulk hogan's not at a ppv and its a clusterfuck. i cant see why they have ppvs without their biggest star. he basically built tna from scratch. but now your holding ppvs without him. ponderous...fucking ponderous.
Posted By: Guest#2386 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:21 PM"
Words cannot describe the amount of fail from that comment.
Posted By: Serious Epic Fail (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:24 PM
TNA: No Sell
How many finisher kickouts tonight? After a few, it made the wrestling look extremely phony. TNA gives no illusion to reality. A fork to the eye and a 2 x 4 with nails that can't be used are supposed to get over.
Posted By: Jim (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:27 PM
It was a decent PPV.
Only really bad match was the tag team with sting, nash, joe,and jarrett. And that only because we probably expected more from it, even in the way of some story line. Butit was a straight forward match and everyone looked lame in it. other than jarett using a bat nothing happened except Joe was on a PPV and he got the win.
Gun and bucks wasnt that great, but good enough, I am sure bucks got thrown for a loop on short notice. But their impact match was actually better than this one.
BP match did what it had to do. Nothing much you need to do on a PPV that cant be done on TV for the girls.
Sabu is a train wreck, and hopefully they just gave him and dreamer one last match to and then let them fade away. i can deal with Rhyno since he has been around TNA a little bit, but dreamer and Sabu jut dont fit. TNA has enough talent that is better than them, just not needed. On a side note TNA 3 EV 2.0 0 in those heads up matches so most people shouldnt be complaining too much.
Rhyno abyss was better than expected, but it could have had some more violence. Not gratuitous self mutilation stuff that Abyss loves. but some more impact moves and some heavy duty smashes and crashes would have worked. The belly to belly was nice, and the gore into the railig was OK, but a black hole slam finish there was sort of lame. Even off that missed gore.
Aj Dreamer. I love the new AJ. He has grown a lot as the asshole heel. Loved the fork to the eye and the close up of it during the I quit. people not expecting blood in an I quit match really have watched WWE for too long. Either that or some broken bones. Back when WWE had balls chavo and mysterio had an I quit match and CVhavo crufied mysterio upside down and basically looked like he broke him in half and every bone in his body from the waste down. So it has to be something like that or something violent and sick like a fork to the eye. Hopefully they really do make dreamer quit. because they got their PPV, and a couple of them got more TV matches and a couple PPV matches so enough is enough, let's move on.
Angle Hardy was a snadwich, started well enough, got into a WWE feel, where it was all finishing move after finishing move and both kicking out. Then it redeemed itself at the end. I dont love the finish but can accept it. Although I would have rather had them go straight to a no time limit, have Kurt bleed and end it that way. rather than having 2 extentions.
Pop Anderon couldnt follow that. I almost think one of them got hurt. Should have gone 7-10 more minutes at least. Ending felt really rushed. But was a decent catch as catch can match with some nice moves and turned into a brawl, but it fell short and felt rushed.
I give the show a C+/B- still need to work on stuff. Also no story advances.
Posted By: Rich (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:28 PM
WHY? Please someone tell me why do you book such a completely idiotic finish to a match like Hardy vs Angle (Ruining it and the ppv in the process) when all you have to do is let them have the goddamn match that they had minus the bullshit?
Why is Vince Russo still employed? TNA is pathetic. This would not have been a bad ppv minus that garbage. It wouldn't have been great, but passable. This shit totally fucked up everything. What a crock of shit. I am done with TNA until the terrible trio of Russo, Hogan and Bischoff are gone.
Posted By: Why Dixie Why? (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:31 PM
I think the Hardy/angle match was overrated.
IT maybe was 31/2 stars, but no more than that. THe ridiculous ammount of nearfalls and no selling finishers was really annoying. And, for me, really cheapened the match as a whole. Add to that the lame-ass finish and it sucked big time.
Btw. If that match would had been in the main event slot, i would have not cared, because the Pope/asshole match was no good.
But hey, at least the old sabu is back... not really a good thing tho.
Posted By: random dude (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:32 PM
Here's a cliff notes version on what I thought of the ppv- Guns and gen. me DID have some phsycology as Shelley sold the neck injury the entire match as gen. me worked on it, not to mention that it was a REAL GOOD match. Sabu and Douglas Williams was under average. Abyss and Rhino was FAR better than I expected it to be. The tag match was nothing to see as it was boring.
Styles and Dreamer suprised me with a good match. Angle and Hardy got into a "I kick out of your finisher,you kick out of mines match" too quick, but over time the match turned into something epic. I'm with the masses as I didn't like the finish but I'll just wait and see where they go with it. Anderson and Pope had a good match but they suffered horribly from Angle and Hardy taking the air completely out of the building with their match.
Posted By: guest (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:41 PM
this was a good show. not great but good. of course this is 411 and people are going to shit all over it even though there precious WWE does stupid shit all the time. Im sure next weekend people are gonna shit on GBH even thought they didnt watch.
Posted By: jones (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:42 PM
(Russo, Hogan and Bischoff) yes it was awful and their fault. Its always their fault. Can you people please get some new bad guys?
Im just so sick of hearing how great tna would be if they dropped these three guys.
This ppv sucked because hogan,flair,foley,rvd were not wrestling. take away 4 of your main guys, and your ppv will suck.
Posted By: Guest#2376 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:47 PM
hulk hogan's not at a ppv and its a clusterfuck. i cant see why they have ppvs without their biggest star. he basically built tna from scratch. but now your holding ppvs without him. ponderous...fucking ponderous.
Posted By: Guest#2386 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:21 PM
Bold statement i see why you did not use a name. Your actually right most people do not realize that tna was almost bankrupt until Hogan came and turned things around.
Nice Casey Kasem reference.
Posted By: Poi (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:52 PM
Decent PPV, but the Angle vs. Hardy match finish was fucking awful. Russo, if you wanted a draw, just have a double count-out. But nooo, Hardy MUST look invincible.
Posted By: My name doesn't matter (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:53 PM
what the hell is with all this hogan bullshit that guy can't wrestle to save his own life why would anybody want to see him wrestle and as for flair the guy is like 65 years old!
Posted By: ??? (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:56 PM
"Why the hell would Angle/Hardy not get top billing? They would get better revenues from promoting it as such. ... Monstrous Failure."
What are you talking about? They primarily promoted this match and the other semifinal. People find out the match order once they've already purchased, so how is that going affect revenues? What a stupid thing to complain about.
The identity of "THEY" will obviously be a letdown. But please, don't let it be any kind of nWo offshoot or Mafia reunion, putting the focus again on tired acts who've been coasting on reputation for a decade, just at half-speed of what they once were.
Even the casual fan must look at TNA like a bush league when they base every major storyline on issues drawn from the history of other companies, and involve guys who your fans know from another company, but have never done anything for yours.
I read someone else on here guess that Joe would turn on Jarrett and align with Nash and Sting. The fact that he didn't makes the next month look maybe a little less dire.
Posted By: Mr. Rihanna (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:58 PM
Tna will be ok, but they do need a big national exposure gimmick. They need to get Jay Leno or Rodman to get back in the ring. Those were so of wcw's best selling ppvs. Honestly, they are some of their better ppv of that era.
Posted By: Zaxxon (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:58 PM
(Russo, Hogan and Bischoff) yes it was awful and their fault. Its always their fault. Can you people please get some new bad guys?
Im just so sick of hearing how great tna would be if they dropped these three guys.
This ppv sucked because hogan,flair,foley,rvd were not wrestling. take away 4 of your main guys, and your ppv will suck.
Posted By: Guest#2376 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:47 PM
Are you serious bro? Hogan can barely even walk, Foley hasn't had a good match since joining TNA, RVD is pretty good, but has been lackluster in TNA and Flair is just ok. Ok for a man who is 60 years old. The ppv would have probably been worse with them instead of better. At least worse with Hogan, Foley and Flair.
Posted By: Are you serious bro? (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:07 AM
black & white
red & black
green & gold
i dont give a fuck but some version of the nwo needs to come back and make wrestling interesting again
Posted By: Guest#0268 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:07 AM
I thought the point of the tournament at this PPV was to crown a new champion, but they won't have a final until the next PPV. Who on earth would pay money for a set of semi-final matches on PPV? What a fucking rip-off!!!!! FUCK TNA!!!!
Posted By: Higgins (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:12 AM
look people, TNA(and the rest of north american Pro Wrestling)=FUN.
compared to the current VKM product: the slow restricted matches, their ataxic top guy no-selling, the commentary insulting my intelligence, those pesky kids and the fact that they won't acknowledge their freak'n company as a WRESTLING promotion! ....TNA is better:)
as a Wrestling fan i'm looking for quality matches with bell to bell action and i can't find that in the Wacky World of Vince.
vanilla midgets > 'roideo clowns (see what i did there)
Posted By: philburttheturtle (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:15 AM
Can the TNA haters calm down. This show still beats Summerslam easily. But really its all about Glory By Honor IX.
Posted By: Rob (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:17 AM
did anyone commenting watch the ppv? the iwc is full of idiots.
Posted By: Mr1700 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:06 PM
John Proctor is that you
Posted By: da juice (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:18 AM
Tna will be ok, but they do need a big national exposure gimmick. They need to get Jay Leno or Rodman to get back in the ring. Those were so of wcw's best selling ppvs. Honestly, they are some of their better ppv of that era.
Posted By: Zaxxon (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:58 PM
I was at the 98' road wild payperview in Sturgis. Hogan and Bischoff took on Page and Leno. Easily one of the best cards i have ever seen. The news media was out of control. They really could use this to get people to realize who Tna are.
Posted By: Guest#7378 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:22 AM
thought the point of the tournament at this PPV was to crown a new champion, but they won't have a final until the next PPV. Who on earth would pay money for a set of semi-final matches on PPV? What a fucking rip-off!!!!! FUCK TNA!!!!
Posted By: Higgins (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:12 AM
Bischoff said the final would be at BFG so if anyone believed otherwise and didn't pay attention thats their fault.
Posted By: Guest#0025 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:23 AM
Look at Doug Williams he came in as a star, and he's fairly over. Yet Pope, Kazarian, Morgan it's always the young guys working themselves up. No upsets..
Posted By: hmmm.. (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:28 AM
Vun...two...three! Drei Deutschelanderplexen! Ah ah ah ahhhhh
Lolz.
Posted By: KMaC (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:28 AM
My bad famo. I forgot all about this PPV due to the season finale's of the TO show and the Ochocino show coming on tonight. Chris, thanks for covering the PPV on my birthday. I appreciate it man.
Posted By: Dwayne (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:29 AM
It looks like the match of the night has to be Kurt Angle and Jeff Hardy and it should have been the main event moreso than Anderson and Pope. It looks like Generation Me turns heel and I'm glad to see Velvet Sky winning over Madison Rayne. This thing with AJ Styles and Tommy Dreamer must be brutal.
Posted By: vantheman77 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:43 AM
I agree....just put the belt on the Hulkster, let him have a lengthy run with the strap; a strong feud with Big Sexy (bring back Hall & 6-pac!), feud w/Flair, perhaps destroy Foley in a hardcore match... Give 'em a few squash matches against some of the vanilla midgets around there...goodness knows, TNA has a lot of 'em.
Then let it all culminate in a monster feud w/Jeff Jarrett, but of course, w/Hogan coming out on top. Then he can pass the torch to someone like...Flair, Foley, or Nash...
Posted By: Guest#0346 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:46 AM
I agree....just put the belt on the Hulkster, let him have a lengthy run with the strap; a strong feud with Big Sexy (bring back Hall & 6-pac!), feud w/Flair, perhaps destroy Foley in a hardcore match... Give 'em a few squash matches against some of the vanilla midgets around there...goodness knows, TNA has a lot of 'em.
Then let it all culminate in a monster feud w/Jeff Jarrett, but of course, w/Hogan coming out on top. Then he can pass the torch to someone like...Flair, Foley, or Nash...
Posted By: Guest#0346 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:46 AM
you are correct sir, those are some big money matches that tna is missing. i would prefer he'd finish with a big feud with sting instead of foley.
i'd love to see hogan/foley in a hardcore match.
i dont care if they bring hall/xpac back, they do need to get the nwo back somehow.
Posted By: zip (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 01:05 AM
(Russo, Hogan and Bischoff) yes it was awful and their fault. Its always their fault. Can you people please get some new bad guys?
Im just so sick of hearing how great tna would be if they dropped these three guys.
This ppv sucked because hogan,flair,foley,rvd were not wrestling. take away 4 of your main guys, and your ppv will suck.
Posted By: Guest#2376 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:47 PM
right. if the wwe had a ppv and cena, orton, edge and jericho were not on the card it would be worthless as well.
Posted By: chico (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 01:33 AM
Because I fast forward through IMPACT, I never understood there wouldn't be a final match in the tournament on this PPV. Why would any motherfucker on earth pay for a ppv without a tournament final? Why the fuck would anyone book it, other than to say to the fans "you stupid assholes are gonna pay to see two semi-fianl matches and then again to see a final. Ha ha, fuck you" This company DESERVES to go down in flames.
FUCK TNA! FUCK TNA! FUCK TNA!
Posted By: Motherfucking Higgins (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 01:35 AM
Time Limit Draw- three words that need to be banned from wrestling right now.
Posted By: Guest#5808 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 01:59 AM
Okay, if Angle/Hardy was a DRAW, then Anderson SHOULD be TNA champion!!!!!
Hogan/Andre were both eliminated at WMIV, right? Oh yeah, TNA...Russo.
Posted By: Zapp (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 02:04 AM
im guessing they chose to have anderson and pope as main even due to unclear ending from angle and hardy its gernaly better to end a ppv with a match that has a clean finsh it did not really work out as pope and anderson just could not follow angle and hardy both are solid with big potental but just not quite there without another main eventer to carry at least tna had faith in the young guys and gave them the ball i guess eather are not ready or unable to run with it im gussing we get a 3 or 4way at bound for glory as the goal of this ppv to a degree seems to have been to set up bfg to me it seems like a rushed set up for biggest ppv of the year should have already more been in the works with this ppv to add to the story funny though how people complain about tna only putting over old guys then when put over aj joe doug willoms and abyss and have the young guys main event people still will not give credit it was far from a bad ppv not great by any means
Posted By: gg (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 02:43 AM
Pope is officially done in the main event while Anderson continues to scam the Impact Zone crazies.
Posted By: shone jones (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 02:45 AM
hulk hogan's not at a ppv and its a clusterfuck. i cant see why they have ppvs without their biggest star. he basically built tna from scratch. but now your holding ppvs without him. ponderous...fucking ponderous.
Posted By: Guest#2386 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:21 PM
I never watched TNA until Hulk Hogan showed up. Lately they seem to be phasing him out so I have been watching less and less.
I cannot see why they are leaving so many Hogan dream matches on the table.
I dont understand what is going on. If your not going to use him let him go to the WWE.
Posted By: Saul (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 02:53 AM
what the hell is with all this hogan bullshit that guy can't wrestle to save his own life why would anybody want to see him wrestle and as for flair the guy is like 65 years old!
Posted By: ??? (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:56 PM
your on the money. why would people want to see guys like hogan and flair. throw in there sting or nash.
what real fans want to see is guys like Doug Williams, Eric Young, Orlando Jordan, AJ Styles, Jeremy Buck.
Since those guys are why people buy a ppv in the first place.
That is why ROH is leading the wrestling world with buy rates.
I doubt if you asked 10 random people who Hulk Hogan was, maybe 1 would know, but do the same with guys like Shannon Moore or Jay Lethal, and they will probably throw money at you to see those guys.
Congratulations IWC once again we are way ahead of everyone else. We know what people want to see, even if they dont yet.
Posted By: Handsome Ray Bronson (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 03:03 AM
TNA is all over the place. This is why they need to get the belt on Hogan, and try to get back on track. Every show just seems like chaos.
Posted By: Guest#1349 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:01 PM
Yeah, putting the belt on a 70 year old will help loads. What TNA needs to do is get rid of all the ECW guys, Nash, and the other over-the-hill no talents, and stay with the young, fresh, hungry talent. That's what made them great in the beginning, and they screwed up the formula. I say all of this, and I'm a TNA supporter, and I am a WWE and ROH supporter. If you're a REAL wrestling fan, you don't care where it comes from, you just want to watch.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 03:09 AM
Since when does a ppv with 3 great matches=Worst of the year?
Oh I forgot these are trolls that didn't even watch the show and shit on it for fun.
Posted By: random (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:14 PM
Well, most of these trolls sometimes know what's going on, so they do watch it, but then bitch about it anyway because they think they're being cool. They don't realize that most of their comments just exhibit what they really are: a bunch of jackasses.
Posted By: Michael (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 03:13 AM
I almost feel bad for the 7,000 people that paid for this PPV.....just so sick people still defend tna.....
Posted By: perez (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:00 PM
7,000!?!?
i think you meant to type
700
Posted By: this guy... (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 04:20 AM
Total Nonstop Spot & Over-Choreographed Wrestling
Shame for the 300 that bought this PPV
Posted By: Guest#1386 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 04:24 AM
Ok let's see here had EV2 Evan won since they got to TNA, they have went from bad asses to lol I have to face who type of guys. Way to go TNA.
Posted By: Tweeter (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 04:42 AM
Dammit, Russo! After a stellar last half of 2009, I wanted to believe that the crap from this year was all Hogan/Bischoff's fault (and would be corrected when their role was reduced), but I can't hope for that any more.
This flip-flop idiotic booking is totally your style.
I give the hell up, TNA. I haven't watched in a long time, and I'm done defending you.
There's pretty much no hope of you ever being a serious threat. I have never expected you to be an immediate threat (WWE is too well known as wrestling for that), but I was always hoping for steady but slow improvement.
But this is just the same crap that I stopped watching so many times. I give up.
I may not like WWE, but there's one thing they do well -- they push things they believe in. It may be brute force and initially unwelcome (Sheamus), but they make coherent storylines and actually stick with the damn things.
Tweeners stopped being cool right about 1999. 11 years ago. Swerves were cool for about 4 seconds in 1997. But even then, there had to be SOME sense about them.
I give up. I can't even bitch coherently.
I'm done.
Posted By: Jimbob Jones (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 04:52 AM
hulk hogan's not at a ppv and its a clusterfuck. i cant see why they have ppvs without their biggest star. he basically built tna from scratch. but now your holding ppvs without him. ponderous...fucking ponderous.
Posted By: Guest#2386 (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:21 PM
I have been saying this for months. Small promotions should do a better job of listening to the fans.
Posted By: Guest#7962 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 05:20 AM
I agree....just put the belt on the Hulkster, let him have a lengthy run with the strap; a strong feud with Big Sexy (bring back Hall & 6-pac!), feud w/Flair, perhaps destroy Foley in a hardcore match... Give 'em a few squash matches against some of the vanilla midgets around there...goodness knows, TNA has a lot of 'em.
Then let it all culminate in a monster feud w/Jeff Jarrett, but of course, w/Hogan coming out on top. Then he can pass the torch to someone like...Flair, Foley, or Nash...
Posted By: Guest#0346 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:46 AM
Funny a guy posting at nearly 1am came up with a better storyline than tna has been able to come up with in years. I think sometime the writers try to over think things. Instead of doing what the fans will enjoy.
Posted By: HonkyMark (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 05:30 AM
Great ppv
Posted By: Guest#5865 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 05:45 AM
Awesome ppv imo.
Posted By: Bill (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 05:55 AM
enjoyed ppv alot
Posted By: Guest#0874 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 06:06 AM
PPV of the year imo.
Posted By: beand33 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 06:20 AM
Okay, if Angle/Hardy was a DRAW, then Anderson SHOULD be TNA champion!!!!!
Hogan/Andre were both eliminated at WMIV, right? Oh yeah, TNA...Russo.
Posted By: Zapp (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 02:04 AM
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You know, Zapp is on to something here. Imagine if after the Angle/Hardy match (which I agree that no matter what, the no contest ending stinks), if you want to go that way, at least use it to make the main event of the night the Finals of the tournament, which adds some impromptu excitement to the show storyline-wise of Pope and Anderson now knowing that if they win this match, they become the new champ, and win their first World Championship in any company on top of that.
Storyline wise and otherwise, you would suddenly have a match between two of your biggest up and coming young stars for the TNA World Championship, which would have been cool, and not have this "tournament" drag on another month or whatever they are going for. Say Anderson still wins, you could then have the main event of Angle vs. Hardy vs. Anderson as the main event of that big show coming up on 10/10/10 for the World Title, while moving Pope, who is the only person who took a clean loss of the four onto a feud with AJ Styles over the TV Title.
Works for me, anyway.
Posted By: Live from the 305 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 06:30 AM
Tna will be ok, but they do need a big national exposure gimmick. They need to get Jay Leno or Rodman to get back in the ring. Those were so of wcw's best selling ppvs. Honestly, they are some of their better ppv of that era.
Posted By: Zaxxon (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:58 PM
you are crazy. they do not need leno or rodman. what they need to do is go after some of the free agents to help bolster their roster.
booker t
scott steiner
abdullah the butcher
rock n roll express
hacksaw jim duggan
honky tonk man etc.
are all taking independent gigs. Wouldnt the roster look a lot more impressive with the names above.
Posted By: Guest#2970 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 06:36 AM
comments are mostly stupid, get the belt on hogan? lmao.
Typical 2010 tna, lots of questionable booking but alot of good wrestling.
Posted By: kevin (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 06:50 AM
looks like MCMG just buried another team
Posted By: Guest#6971 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 07:01 AM
No Lacy?
Posted By: Guest#1838 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 07:06 AM
**3/4 for Rhino vs Abyss
Posted By: Guest#3675 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 07:14 AM
Enjoyed this PPV ALOT.
Posted By: Garry (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 07:25 AM
I agree....just put the belt on the Hulkster, let him have a lengthy run with the strap; a strong feud with Big Sexy (bring back Hall & 6-pac!), feud w/Flair, perhaps destroy Foley in a hardcore match... Give 'em a few squash matches against some of the vanilla midgets around there...goodness knows, TNA has a lot of 'em.
Then let it all culminate in a monster feud w/Jeff Jarrett, but of course, w/Hogan coming out on top. Then he can pass the torch to someone like...Flair, Foley, or Nash...
Posted By: Guest#0346 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:46 AM
WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE OVER RUSSO'S JOB.
Posted By: Joe E. Public (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 07:42 AM
Pretty good ppv. I feel bad for streaming it. Dreamer/AJ was great as I expected. Angle/Hardy was great minus the finish. Guns vs Gen Me was the perfect way to start the show. I would've followed with Anderson/Pope and saved Angle vs Hardy for last with a 30 minute time limit draw.
Either way, great ppv
Posted By: Guest#1051 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 07:46 AM
ROFL, a fun PPV, but the real fun comes from fake wrestling fans tear down the show every day pretending to feel big and important. It's this or WWE you morons, pick the BETTER product, TNA, TNA, TNA
FUCK THE HATERS
Posted By: David Blyth (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 07:50 AM
It was AWSOME!!!...LMAO!
Posted By: uglyhead (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 08:07 AM
You guys are stupid as fuck. The BFG posted features Angle, Hardy and Anderson on the cover so it was kind of obvious it was going to be a triple threat match. No shit, the Angle/Hardy match was gonna end in a draw. How were they going to do a triple threat in the first place? Have either Angle or Hardy lose and then cut some bullshit promo with them asking to get in for another shot?
Posted By: Thunder Chunky (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 08:12 AM
BOOOOOOOOOO!!! No screen caps of DAT AZZ?????
Posted By: CM Wolf (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 08:24 AM
They have left a ton of good Hogan matches on the table. Big Poppa Pump vs. Hogan anyone? Or...throw Jeff J. in there for a 3-way dance...
The EV2.0 angle is actually not that bad - they're hardcore, they've got heart and stories to tell....I could Stevie Cool having a run on top, but that's contingent if and only if, they bring back the Blue Meanie in some format.
Lastly, that one dude's list
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you are crazy. they do not need leno or rodman. what they need to do is go after some of the free agents to help bolster their roster.
booker t
scott steiner
abdullah the butcher
rock n roll express
hacksaw jim duggan
honky tonk man etc.
are all taking independent gigs.
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I couldn't agree more....that's how you start pumping life into a dying promotion. (restart Ricky Morton / Flair feud???)
Posted By: Guest#1901 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 08:26 AM
I enjoyed the Angle/Hardy match and thought both guys played their parts really well. Angle playing the part of the veteran who gives it his all because possibly every match and Hardy playing the part of the broom.
Posted By: D (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 08:54 AM
The opening match was good and Angle v Hardy could have been without the nonsense.
The x division, womens, hardcore, tag and I quit matches were all bad.
Pope v Anderson was one of the most underwhelming PPV main events of all time. Maybe there's a reason these guys never made it to the top in WWE. Not everyone is cut out for this level. Upper mid-card is fine for some guys. And Angle-Hardy was nowhere near 4 stars. The only singles matches Hardy has had on that level were v Punk TLC and v HHH at No Mercy.
TNA has a terrible habit of booking nothing PPV's on the run up to Bound For Glory. Just because you have one of your big events coming up doesn't mean you have to stop trying. WWE has Elimination Chamber the month before WM and that's normally one of the most noteworthy shows of the year and right before Summerslam they had Money In The Bank, probably the best wrestling PPV of the year so far.
Posted By: Guest#0432 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 08:58 AM
I couldn't agree more....that's how you start pumping life into a dying promotion. (restart Ricky Morton / Flair feud???)
Posted By: Guest#1901 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 08:26 AM
i forgot about that feud. i got goosebumps just reading that. if tna could rekindle that feud i would be a happy man.
Posted By: Guest#9516 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 09:06 AM
"they had Money In The Bank, probably the best wrestling PPV of the year so far.
Posted By: Guest#0432 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 08:58 AM"
Quote For TRUTH
Mania 26 was also pretty good.
TNA best ppv this year was easily Lethal Lockdown
Posted By: Kyle Dusk (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 10:45 AM
I feel bad for TNA that everything they have tried hasn't been able to draw more veiwers or make the company better. I'll continue to watch Impact, but, I work too hard to keep spending my money on pay-per-views that only deliver 2 or 3 enjoyable matches.
Posted By: Ollie By Golly (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:22 PM
TNA is just terrible... seriously, enough is enough.
Posted By: lol (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:38 PM
Lethal Lockdown is a match, not a ppv.
Posted By: PS (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:52 PM
I agree....just put the belt on the Hulkster, let him have a lengthy run with the strap; a strong feud with Big Sexy (bring back Hall & 6-pac!), feud w/Flair, perhaps destroy Foley in a hardcore match... Give 'em a few squash matches against some of the vanilla midgets around there...goodness knows, TNA has a lot of 'em.
Then let it all culminate in a monster feud w/Jeff Jarrett, but of course, w/Hogan coming out on top. Then he can pass the torch to someone like...Flair, Foley, or Nash...
Posted By: Guest#0346 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 12:46 AM
Funny a guy posting at nearly 1am came up with a better storyline than tna has been able to come up with in years. I think sometime the writers try to over think things. Instead of doing what the fans will enjoy.
......
Um dude, Im pretty sure that guy was being sarcastic. If not well there is no true help for you.
Posted By: lowe (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 02:46 PM
I may not like WWE, but there's one thing they do well -- they push things they believe in. It may be brute force and initially unwelcome (Sheamus), but they make coherent storylines and actually stick with the damn things.
WWE hardly has storylines. They barely even have characters. The ongoing complaint for WWE is that all of their wrestlers are cookie-cut in and out of the ring.
All that WWE had for atleast the past two years is HBK and Y2J and since HBK retired and Y2J is most likely going to leave for a long time WWE hAS nothing now.
Their only hope is Randy Orton and he is a prime example of a top star with absolutely no storyline. Even John Cena hardly has a storyline. At first he was battling Nexus for attacking him but now he is just there.
Chris Jericho, Edge, and Sheamus should never have given a damn about Nexus and certainly should'nt have been fighting on behalf of WWE. Look at Sheamus. He is rare in the WWE. He is unique, but what is his storyline? I'm WWE Champion and everyone wants my belt?
The writing teams of both WWE and TNA are stupid. Neither writing team shows direction or logic. They start and never finish.
TNA had a great storyline with STing/ HULK Hogan. Its a deep storyline that was never resolved dating back to WCW. Last year Sting was being unselfish helping AJ to shape and mold himself into a credible world champion. He was giving back.
Then in comes hogan and bischoff to reclaim the spotlight and plague TNA with politics. Sting was mad at Jeff Jarrett and Dixie Carter for bringing in Hogan and Bischoff so he acted out. Hogan convinced Dixie and Jeff that Sting was the cancer when in fact Hogan is the cancer.
Truth be told Sting should'nt even be the heel, Hogan should. When Bischoff first came in he demoted Jarrett and stripped him of his power telling him to start from the bottom to prove his loyalty to TNA. NAsh thought that he would get the easy ride being friends of Hogan and Bischoff but they flat out denied him. He wants the spotlight so he is mad that TNA is going in "a new direction".
Nash is upset at Jarrett for fighting on behalf of Hogan and bischoff because Sting and Nash see that Jarrett is just a pawn in Hogans game of chess. This is why Sting calls Hogan the greatest Chess player of alltime. Hogan and Bischoff pretend to fight for the future of TNA when the truth is they are only protecting their own images in the present. They will throw all of TNA in front of the bus to protect themselves.
Sting refers to the TNA title as the deception title because no one truly earns their title shots. Sting cares about the future of TNA. Hogan and Bischoff only care about promoting themselves.
EV2.0 and fourtune only cause chaos and confusion. Completely unnecessary.
Posted By: ??????"? (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 02:58 PM
yeah put the belt on hogan pure brilliance what a group of morons. First of all the guy just had back surgery not too long ago so I doubt he will be wrestling anytime soon.
I almost feel bad for the 7,000 people that paid for this PPV.....just so sick people still defend tna.....
Posted By: perez (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:00 PM
Yes we know wwe does such great ppvs we know this stuff is horrible you're a freaking moron.
Posted By: Guest#5467 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 03:03 PM
can someone tell me how TNA expected to sell a PPV with SEMI FINALS matches as the main events? HA I have never seen that done. Would it have hurt to crown the new champ on this show? BTW i would like to take a look @ that Hardy-Angle match within the next few days cuz they are legends in my book
Posted By: sp1 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 03:14 PM
you people who want hogan to have the title are crazy. i read on here not long ago that he was having back surgery. i dont think tna wants to hold the belt up while he cant even wrestle. wait a month or two and im sure he will be champion. but you have to be realistic and let the guy heal.
Posted By: Guest#3605 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 04:22 PM
Seriously 3 3/4 stars for the opener and you call it a 'decent spotfest'.
The guns can actually sell and don't have the contrived offense the the young bucks use, which makes the match seem rather silly.
Posted By: Guest#4907 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 05:46 PM
Other than the Anderson/Pope rating, I agree w/ the ratings. I thought it was a good show(better than Summerslam), but not great.
Posted By: JD Nash (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:11 PM
dude, the highlight/video package would put this above summerslam....right now, it's a battle between which promotion is "less" terrible....instead of which is "better".
Posted By: wrestlingisterriblenow (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 05:49 PM
I watched the PPV, and it sucked. Just wanna make it clear that I am not a diehard fan for either WWE or TNA. I am a casual wresting fan.
Posted By: Anthonio (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:16 PM
yet, you were here talking up how great summerslam was and how it was the start of the new attitude era...nexus? = child please!
Posted By: truthyo (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 05:55 PM
What a dumb finish. If you were going to do something like that don't extend the time twice, that's just stupid. How can Bischoff arbitrarily extend it anyway? And if he insists there be a finish why put time limits in the first place? Why extend only for 5 minutes if you won't be satisfied if there is still no finish?
And how is it a draw if one competitor is unable to continue? That is a TKO/ref stoppage, so Hardy should just have been awarded a victory. They are trying to draw from actual combat sports but they do it stupidly and selectively. If it's a cut, and it's that late, either the other guy is automatically given the victory or they go to score cards. It is one way to end a fight, not a draw.
Posted By: Guest#7353 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 05:57 PM
I think the Hardy/angle match was overrated.
IT maybe was 31/2 stars, but no more than that. THe ridiculous ammount of nearfalls and no selling finishers was really annoying. And, for me, really cheapened the match as a whole.
Posted By: random dude (Guest) on September 05, 2010 at 11:32 PM
yeah, how about that great HBK/Undertaker match that consisted of Finisher, Finisher, Spot, Finisher, No Sell, Finisher, Finisher, HBK saying something, Finisher, Finisher, FINISHER!
Posted By: commonsense (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 05:57 PM
How is Hulk Hogan going to bring validation to the tna title as a broken down old man? He limps to the ring and can barely swing a chair. Honestly, Matt Morgan would be a more believavble champion in 2010. UNfortunately no one wants to support him because he acts like such a queer.
Pope is in the title scene as is Jeff Hardy and they are two relatively young guys but someone who could have been champ is eric young when he turned heel and formed world elite. At that time he was on a roll. Its a shame that TNa never follows through with solid storylines.
I don't think No surrender only featuring the tournament semifinals is a bad thing. If both of the matches featured the right talent and had the potential to be entertaining which they did then people would be drawn in by that.
MCMG/genME made little sense. Apparently, Wolfe/Magnus were pulled out of the tag match as punishment to Wolfe but TNA is really only punishing the fans and themselves. Wolfe has all of the tools to be right in the middle of the title scene yet he gets constantly overlooked.
Samoa Joe is a friggin slob. I don't understand why he makes no effort to lose some weight. It might help his career.They should just turn him into bam bam bigelow 2.0.
Ev2.0 should'nt have seen a day past hardcore justice. They are diminishing they're own legacy by staying around. How can they not recognize that? They sell themselves short by staying in 1995.
When i think of Tna i instantly think of jim cornette as the commisioner and the x division at the forefront. The only reason i started to watch impact was because of petey williams. That dude was crazy in the ring. TNA has changed alot since then. some things have improved but im honestly glad i don't have to see that nasty mess odb anymore. she was disgusting.
Posted By: ??????? (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 06:15 PM
7.75/10
Posted By: Goy (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 06:26 PM
i agree with you all on the Angle/Hardy finish. but it's about time they put Ken Anderson over. i mean, with RVD out, why not give the belt to someone that can get the fans either cheering or jeering??
as far as the other matches, meh on the sky/Rayne match. the MCMG/Gen Me match, spotfests are great, and show what the under-sized guys are capable of. the Abyss/Rhyno match should've had a different ending, along with the Dreamer/Styles ending. especially since 10/10/10 is coming up. by the way, who are the "they" that Abyss keeps talking about?? as far as the Williams/Sabu match, why would TNA keep the x belt on a guy that trashed the whole x division for so long?? pointless........
and i am so glad Sting and Nash lost. it's time to get the old farts out of TNA. they can can Jarrett too, since he can't use his "Owner Stroke" any more. as far as putting the belt on Hogan, why, when the man can barely even walk?? that's idiotic. just give the belt to Anderson, and let the other 3 go after him in a Hardcore Gauntlet match or something of that nature.....
that's just what you morons want. Hogan to get 1 more run, so he can claim to be the best ever, which by far, he's not. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. that'd be flair.
and as far as tna goes, i'd still rather watch it over the WWE anyday. at least TNA doesn't put on the same matches every week, like WWE does. i'm so tired of seeing Orton, Sheamus, Jericho, and Barrett all in the main events every flipping week. they do have the other titles too. why not push them and their top contenders, and give the other belts some tv time.
at least WWE's looking more like it's going to be 1 brand again, with 2 shows. that'd be so much better than calling smackdown a brand and raw a brand. THE WWE IS 1 BRAND, YOU MORONS.
as far as TNA goes, they still get my vote for the best summer ppv's.
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 09:00 PM
Decent PPV. They didn't do Angle/Hardy as the ME because they were going for a BS finish.
Bischoff and co did a good job pretending they didn't know what to do with the winner. The idea being that Angle/Hardy couldn't beat each other and then had to have an injury stop the match.
Not the best finish, I understand but plays to the bigger angle for the BFG PPV.
I thought it was a solid show overall. I am curious about London Brawling, though.
Posted By: Guest#6978 (Guest) on September 06, 2010 at 10:39 PM
wwe must be paying trolls to spam these threads. put the belt on hogan? wtf
i hope tna bookers dont drink before reading this rag or the might think these are good ideas.
i did not see the ppv. didnt care enough to order. hoping whatever is after washouts 2.0 will capture my interest.
parting thoughts...wcw went under for a reason...they didnt draw!
Posted By: Guest#5973 (Guest) on September 07, 2010 at 02:10 AM
That Styles/Dreamer match was borderline epic. Easily the most surprisingly awesome match I've seen in a long time.
And if you're confused about their stories and logic now, just wait. I have a feeling the Mafia is returning at BFG, which will probably lead to a Stable War story with them, Fortune, EV2, and Team TNA (Joe, Jarrett, Hardy, Anderson, Pope). THAT will be insane.
Posted By: Guest#7807 (Guest) on September 07, 2010 at 11:21 AM
The best part was when Pope flipped Anderson the double bird from the ramp, and Anderson sold it like it was a stunner. Anderson is just GOLD.
Posted By: poffo316 (Guest) on September 10, 2010 at 08:50 PM
and yet we all know if WWE did the exact same PPV, people would be calling it "show of the year".
Posted By: Vince McArsehole (Guest) on September 12, 2010 at 09:58 AM
No Surrender was okay. I just hope that on 10/10/10, we don't find out that "They" are the McMahons. If Dixie Carter has sold out, the McMahons will again have the only legalized monopoly in this country.
Posted By: Sting/Flair fan (Guest) on September 12, 2010 at 01:40 PM
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