The Custom Made News Report 04.06.08
Posted by Ryan Byers on 04.06.2008
WrestleMania weekend may have been my last stand as a pro wrestling fan. Read on to find out why.
(Ryan's note: I'm adding this note after having already written what follows. I sat down to do a brief write-up of my Wrestlemania thoughts for this weekend's news report, and it took on a life of its own. It turned in to something very different than what I originally intended. I apologize for the sparsity of actual "news" content this week, but I felt the need to get all of this off my chest, and there was no way that an additional eight pages of content was going to get put together after I finished up the piece below. Hopefully you manage to take something away from it.)
Yes, I know. Wrestlemania was a week ago. You've already read everybody else's thoughts on the show, and I'm sure that several of you are outright sick of hearing about it. However, I've had several requests from people wanting to hear my side of the story, and, if I'm writing it up for one person, I may as well write it up for the world to see.
First of all, I should note that I almost never watch wrestling PPVs as they take place. That comes as a shock to many of you, I'm sure. However, the fact of the matter is that I have a hard time justifying the price to myself. I usually skip the live airing of the pay per view, wait around for a few reviews, and then pick up the DVD if it sounds like there are matches that I'd like to check out. At half the price and usually only a month's delay, doing things that way just makes more financial sense to me. I generally don't even make an exception to this rule for the biggest show of the year. The last Wrestlemania that I actually ordered was number twenty back in 2004, with the big allure there being the potential title win of Chris Benoit, who I'd been a big fan of ever since his debut match on Monday Nitro.
Four years later, there was finally something big enough to get me to shell out the $50 for 'Mania one more time. It was, of course, the final match of Ric Flair, who I had watched – nay, idolized – for a much longer period than the last guy who got me to buy WM. We'll get to the Nature Boy in more detail later, though.
Before we get to that, we've got general thoughts about the show to address. Overall, I would rate Wrestlemania XXIV as being a better than average WWE pay per view. However, simply being "better than average" is not what I expect from Wrestlemania. I expect a show that is 100% knocked out of the ballpark from start to finish, with several matches that I'll remember for years to come. The best 'Manias have all provided that. 'Mania XXIV, though a good pay per view, did not provide meet the heightened expectations that I have for WM, and that's why I have to rate it as probably the weakest Wrestlemania of the last decade.
Part of the problem may have been that I built certain matches up too much in my own head. That's certainly how it felt during the opener. I love me some Fit Finlay, and, though I've probably hated more JBL matches than I've enjoyed, good ole' Bradshaw is usually entertaining in situations in which he's allowed to brutalize people. Thus, when the match was announced, I figured that I'd get to see a fun ten minutes of these two guys just pounding the holy hell out of each other with snug clotheslines, forearms, and boots. That wasn't what I got. Instead, I watched them have, with the exception of a couple of fun spots, every WWF Hardcore Title match that took place between 1998 and 2001. Was it a bad match? No, not really. Was it something that I had much higher expectations of? Yup. (By the way, the "fun spots" were the finish – I thought the legsweep with the kendo stick to setup the lariat was brilliant – and, of course, FLYIN FIT~!)
I could take or leave Money in the Bank. I've seen a lot of reviews that have called this a **** or greater match, and I guess that this is a style of wrestling that I just don't get. Yeah, the guys are working hard and putting their bodies on the line for my entertainment, and I can definitely appreciate that. However, it's gotten to the point that, when I watch these ladder matches, I spend more time feeling concerned for the wrestlers involved than I do being excited by the big spots. It was one thing when, several years ago, a ladder match would consist of guys teasing and building up the use of the ladder only two do one or two really scary spots towards the end. It's an entirely different thing when you've got Johnny Nitro doing a moonsault to the floor while holding a ladder before the match is even two minutes old. If you can enjoy it, more power to you. It's just not my thing.
Finlay versus JBL may have been a moderate disappointment, but Batista versus Umaga was a MASSIVE disappointment. I think that everybody agrees this match was not good. Most people seem to be willing to shrug their shoulders and move on. I, on the other hand, am still amazed by how bad this was compared to how could it could have been. After Big Dave's 'Mania performance last year and his continued streak of surprisingly good matches against the Undertaker and Edge, I thought for sure that he'd pull out all of the stops and give us a great performance against the Samoan Bulldozer. Umaga, meanwhile, is one of the most consistently great performers on the roster, even though there seem to be a lot of fans out there who try to claim that he's a lousy wrestler just because he looks like one of the monsters who would've been thrown in front of Hulk Hogan twenty years ago. Well, at 'Mania XXIV he certainly wrestled like one of the monsters that would have been thrown in front of the Hulkster twenty years ago. Seriously, if not for the powerbomb at the finish, this could have been the Hulk Hogan taking on King Kong Bundy, which came as quite the shock to the guy who expected this match to hit the twelve minute and *** marks.
Kane pinned Chavo Guerrero. Yup. They should now rename the ECW Title the You're A Good Hand and Have Been Around for a While but You're Not Really Over so We'll Give You This Belt as a Consolation Prize Instead of Wasting an Important Title on You Championship. It's lengthy yet accurate.
So that's roughly an hour and a half of the show down with nothing having really caught my fancy yet.
The women's match was just about what you would expect from the four individuals involved. Beth Phoenix looked great when she was doing spots when she had 100% control over how the move looked, but otherwise she was really dragged down by her opponents. I'm amazed that I haven't heard anything about an injury coming out of this match, because one of the generic lumberjacks (I honestly could not tell ANY of them apart), looked like she really screwed up her leg when Ashley did the dive off of the apron. Also, if you want an indication of how poorly WWE wrestlers are trained to work on the fly these days, you need to look no further than what happened when the venue's power cut off during this match. How did the women react? They kept on running through their pre-scripted highspots. Why even bother at that point? Nobody can see you. Just grab a chinlock and hold it until the lights come back on. Oh well, I guess what they did is better than simply stopping and standing there.
I know that this has already been said many times, but the finish to the Raw Title match RULED THE WORLD. I'm not one of these guys who was begging for Orton to retain and/or for Cena to get pinned, because I'm secure enough in my heterosexuality to admit that Cena is a fine professional wrestler. Thus, I'm not talking about the result that was chosen when I say that the finish was awesome. I'm talking about the actual method that the company chose in getting to its desired end. Orton's running kick of death has been built up so well and for so long that everybody immediately bought it as a finisher, and the fact that he flew in out of nowhere with it shows that he may be a bit more intelligent than the babyfaces but that he's not necessarily the better fighter. In that regard, everybody comes out of the match looking strong, and Triple H looks great in defeat because he took this brutal kick that has put numerous people on the shelf and was up and moving around within ten seconds. Aside from the great finish, I have to say that this match was absolutely nothing special. Don't get me wrong, it was good. However, it doesn't live up to the personal standard that I have for Wrestlemania title matches, and there was nothing in this aside from the final few seconds that I will remember a month from now. I suppose that we older fans are just going to have to accept the fact that, in the post-roster split era with two "world titles," there are going to be championship matches on major shows which are nothing more than glorified midcard bouts.
Oh, and that marching band entrance probably looked a lot cooler on paper than it did live.
Big Show versus Floyd Mayweather had, in my opinion, the second best build of any match on the card, but I had absolutely no clue how the in-ring portion of it was going to wind up. Fortunately, things turned out just fine. Would two trained wrestlers have put on a better 'Mania semi-final? Yes, in most cases. However, I don't think that anybody expects matches of this nature to be good. To the contrary, I think they're often remembered more for how "not bad" they are than how affirmatively good they are. This match was very "not bad." I don't know for certain who exactly was in charge of structuring the bout (though I would put money on it being Pat Patterson), but that person deserves a Wrestlemania payoff bigger than Mayweather, because it was BRILLIANT in terms of working around all of Floyd's limitations and playing up to all of his strengths. He at no point went toe to toe with the Big Show and never really attempted any wrestling moves against him. Yet, at the end of the night, it was perfectly believable that Floyd was able to get the upper hand at the times and in the manners that he did, and even the knockout finish made perfect sense. In addition to Mayweather, Show, and the guy in charge of the booking, the bit players deserve a lot of respect here too. Developmental wrestler Charles "The Hammer" Evans was the Pretty Boy posse member who did the most bumping, and I think that he undoubtedly earned himself a spot on the main roster. And, though I have no clue who he was, the gentleman in Mayweather's corner who kept yelling "HE CAN'T BE DOING THAT!" every time that Show did ANYTHING to Floyd is now my new favorite manager. He made the situation in the ring seem all the more dire for his man, which in turn mad it more understandable that Mayweather would resort to desperate measures despite having been so confident in his natural athletic ability in the buildup to the fight. As celebrity matches go, this definitely has to be in the top three, though I don't know if it was quite as good as Bam Bam Bigelow versus Lawrence Taylor, as Bammer and LT managed to get through things with less smoke and fewer mirrors.
Then we got ourselves the final match of the evening, the Undertaker against Edge for the Smackdown Title. I do have to give these two guys credit. Watching the show on television, it was pretty clear that the Citrus Bowl, though a great looking venue, absolutely sucked in terms holding in crowd noise and making audience reactions sound impressive. Stuff that was massively over according to live reports sounded like nobody gave a damn about it on pay per view, and the crowd sounded especially weak during the opening minutes of this contest. Yet, by the end of the bout, the two wrestlers managed to get the live viewers so in to this match that it sounded like it was getting the biggest reactions of the evening. Yes, bigger than virtually all of Flair/Michaels and definitely bigger than Mayweather/Show. This is particularly impressive when you consider the fact that the fans had been through three and a half hours of professional wrestling at this point, which is oftentimes enough to burn out even the most ardent of the sport's supporters. And, quite frankly, it burned me out. No matter how hard or how smart Taker and Edge worked and no matter how fast Charles Robinson's little legs pumped to get him down to the ring, I was not going to get in to this match. I feel bad for that in a way, because folks with more stamina than I have been saying that this one was great. Maybe I'll feel that way too if I get the DVD and watch it in isolation, but, on that night and in that position, I had seen far too much on this particular evening to think of the battle as anything more than average. Though, now that I think about it, the fact that I was burnt out and thought that the match was average stands as a testament to what the wrestlers were doing, because usually when I get burnt out and don't particularly want to watch a match, I'm far more harsh on it.
So that was Wrestlemania. Was it a fun show? Yes. Were there memorable moments? Yes. Were there a couple of great matches? Yes. Could the build have been better? Oh yes. Was it too long? Yes. Were there some matches that failed to deliver? Yes. The show was a complete mixed bag. If you could somehow cut out the two bland hours of the show and retain the two awesome hours, it probably would have been one of the best pay per views of all time. However, between the filler matches and the disappointing matches, it was dragged down quite a ways in my opinion. Thumbs solidly in the middle for the sh . . .
Oh, wait.
I skipped something, didn't I?
Let's talk about Shawn Michaels and Ric Flair.
I see a lot of fans online these days misusing the term "main event." Many people have adopted the incorrect belief that, if a match goes on last at a particular show, it's appropriate to refer to it as the main event. That's not the case. Main event status is something that is determined before the show happens, not afterwards. Saying something is the main event is basically saying that it's the main attraction, the one thing that, more than anything else on the card, is drawing in viewers. That's true whether it's the last match on the card or whether it's the third match on the card.
Shawn Michaels versus Ric Flair, at least in my mind, was the main event of this show. If it hadn't taken place, I wouldn't have paid for this show. Period. In fact, even though I've known for months that Flair's final match would be taking place at WM, that alone wasn't going to get me to order Wrestlemania. I figured that, as the angle heading up to the retirement bout had been lackluster, the match itself probably would be too. Then Michaels and Flair started cutting promos on each other. With every awesome interview segment between the two men, my stance on ordering 'Mania weakened, first going from "No way" to "It might be cool to see that" to "Maybe I'll get it if I've got nothing better going on that night" to "Okay, if I'm not busy with work that weekend, I'll buy it." Finally, when Shawn Michaels talked about putting Ric Flair down like Old Yeller, got slapped, and then gave the Nature Boy a look like, "You're not even worth it anymore," I knew that, work and social obligations be damned, I was going to be watching this show live and as it happened, no matter how much it cost. I fully admit that I was worked in the old school sense of the word, as two professional wrestlers made me believe through their words and their actions that I was going to be seeing something special on this particular evening. That almost never happens to me anymore, and I don't think that I'm all that different from many modern WWE fans, who purchase shows more for the spectacle or the brand name than for any feelings they have about individual personalities.
There was a bit of a detour on the road to the Flair/Michaels match, though. Before we got there, we had to go through the Hall of Fame. I had initially been slotted to recap that show for this very website, but a couple of major, last minute projects came through at work and resulted in yours truly having to back out of that commitment. (Unfortunately, no replacement could be found in time . . . sorry about that one, Larry.) I worked all day that Saturday and in to the night, but I promised myself that I would, no matter what, find some way to get out of there in time to at the very least catch Flair's speech. Fortunately, that worked out, and I walked through my front door just as the induction of Peter Maivia was wrapping up. I sat down on my couch to watch Flair speak, and it was readily apparent that the whole thing was heavily edited, though I wouldn't learn just how edited until I read live reports indicating that Flair talked for hours. Granted, we only got around ten minutes on television, but even that ten minutes was an emotional roller coaster. It's a testament to WWE's editing team that they were able to cull the speech in such a short period of time and capture moments that encompassed so many of the sentiments that we fans associate with the end of the Nature Boy's career. We were simultaneously happy to celebrate him, sad to see him go, excited to see what he would do for his final bow, respectful of the sacrifices that he and especially his family had made during his career, and even a little bit angry to see the promotion rushing him offstage. (Though, realistically, they had no choice in the matter.) If no match had been promised to us beforehand, this speech on its own would have been a fitting end to the Nature Boy's career . . . a perfect moment to go out on.
In fact, the speech made me more excited for the subsequent match than any of the angles on Raw or Smackdown ever did. It was so clear from watching the Hall of Fame ceremony that every wrestler and piece of WWE talent in the building had the utmost respect for Flair, and, as a result, any doubt in my mind about the company not trying its hardest to give this man the best sendoff in professional wrestling history was immediately eliminated. Of course, there were still a few x-factors that I was worried about going in to the match. What if it rained? What if the crowd was full of young fans who didn't care about Naitch? What if Ric Flair had one of those now all-too-familiar evenings on which he looked like he was sixty an wrestled like he was eighty? What if Shawn Michaels on this particular evening had what would seem like the one "off night" of his entire career? I went in to the match with my fingers crossed, knowing that we would more than likely get something special but hoping that no unforeseen contingency would rob us of that magical night.
Fortunately, none of those fears were realized. The match was, for lack of a better description, exactly what I said it was going to be on 411's Podcast. It wasn't a triumph of pro wrestling's more over-the-top athletic aspects, but it was two men who know more about professional wrestling than the rest of the industry put together going out there and using every little trick, tactic, and shortcut that they know in order to compensate for their weaknesses and produce a contest that will never, ever be forgotten by those of us who viewed it. Michaels, knowing that he would have to, provided the spectacular highspots. Flair, knowing that they would be easy to pull off and generate good reactions, busted out the old low blow, the delayed suplex, and the rare Nature Boy cross body.
More important than any "move" that the two men did, though, were their facials, their body language, their ring positioning, and, believe it or not, their words. Every action in every one of these categories felt like it was designed to generate the greatest amount of emotion possible from the crowd. Of course, it only looked that way. I know that Michaels and Flair weren't staying up late the week of the show with notebooks and floating out ideas like, "Well, if I squint ever so slightly at the 7:53 mark and cock my head to the side, they'll go nuts." The fact of the matter is that, even though you probably couldn't design a better match for this purpose if you tried, the Nature Boy and the Heartbreak Kid didn't arrive at it by design. The arrived at it by virtue of being two of the best performers in the entire history of this wacky hybrid of sport and theater.
And what can I say about the finish that hasn't already been said at this point? It was exactly what needed to be done. Michaels, after already having given Flair multiple openings on which he could not fully capitalize, knew that he was in a position in which he was going to have no choice but to put the legend away. Flair, realizing the same, resigned himself to his fate and told HBK to bring it one. Michaels, perhaps only because he had his hero's consent, pulled the trigger . . . but not before uttering the two brief sentences that will forever be associated with this show. "I'm sorry. I love you." And, with that, the mother of all superkicks was delivered, and Ric Flair was pinned for the last time. The two opponents immediately embraced on the mat, after which Michaels kissed Flair on the forehead as though he were a dear family member and then rolled out of the ring to let the thirty-five year veteran have his time with the fans. There was no post-match celebration, no stream of proud wrestlers pouring out from the locker room, no confetti, and not even one last refrain of "Also Sprach Zarathustra." Niatch made his walk, waived goodbye, and, in an uncharacteristically low key manner, it appeared that Ric Flair the wrestler was gone . . . forever. A perfect moment to go out on.
I know that this is going to sound overly melodramatic, but I'm going to say it anyway, because it's the truth. The second that Ric Flair walked out of the view of the camera, I felt something change. Yes, I was still watching the biggest professional wrestling show of the year, and, yes, there were still things that held my attention. However, with the Flair match coming to an end, it was though I was at a rock concert and the volume level had immediately dropped from a Spinal Tap-esque eleven all the way down to a two. It felt like nothing else on the show actually mattered, and there was a four or five minute period beginning during Todd Grisham's interview with Edge in which I seriously considered just shutting the show off and going to bed. After all, I had seen what I paid to see, and I was fairly confident that nothing else on the card was going to be anywhere near as good. Ultimately, I convinced myself that I'd feel like an idiot if I paid almost sixty dollars for a show and then only watched half of it. I kept watching, though I have a strong suspicion that the main reason that my opinion of the two title matches is so low compared to almost everybody else's is that I just didn't care anymore. Nothing Triple H did prior to this show got me excited for his match. The same could be said for Edge, the Undertaker, Randy Orton, and John Cena. They were fun matches, but, in the wake of something as monumental as Flair walking away from the industry, they felt completely insignificant.
In fact, I felt the same way about Raw the following night. I was in a situation in which I could either work late and get ahead on some projects or go home and watch the show, and, at the end of the day, I felt like there would be nothing worth catching. Even if they did a Flair tribute, I thought to myself, there's no way that it could equal what we saw at the Hall of Fame or what we saw at Wrestlemania itself. So, in a very unusual move, I skipped Monday Night Raw outright, not even bothering to tape it. It was only after I got online and began reading reports about the show that I realized that their tribute to Flair eclipsed anything that I imagined would take place. Fortunately, we now live in a world with YouTube.
I watched the segment via the magic of the world wide web, and it was phenomenal. Granted, things would have been a little bit better if Roddy Piper could have showed up or if Dusty Rhodes could have been there live, but those of us who live in the real world realize how hard it can be to assemble very busy people in the same place at the same time, even if it is for something as momentous as this show. Again, the genuine emotion that poured out of every individual involved transformed it from "just another angle" in to something that I will remember on my deathbed . . . a perfect moment to go out on.
I was an individual who was critical of the Ric Flair "keep winning or retire" storyline. I knew that it had the potential to be so much more, and I'm still a little bit disappointed that it didn't deliver. However, there's not a single bad thing that I can say about the events surrounding the retirement itself. Generally, in professional wrestling, guys don't get dignified sendoffs. Most of them never officially retire, and the sad fact remains that many of them die before they get a chance to do so. The fact that Ric Flair got three "perfect moments" on which to go out when so few wrestlers get one makes this a wrestling retirement the likes of which we're never going to see again. Period. Also, with wrestlers' popularity seemingly burning out more quickly than ever thanks to the twenty-first century's insanely short attention spans, we're probably never again going to see anybody who warrants this level of celebration.
. . . and that's one of the things that has me in about a bit of a crisis when it comes to my status as a wrestling fan. I mentioned earlier that, while watching Wrestlemania, the "volume" turned down immediately after Michaels versus Flair. Nothing on the show seemed anywhere near as important as it otherwise would have. I figured that would end at the close of the evening. It hasn't. I watched Impact on Thursday night to review it for this website, and getting through the show felt like more of a chore than it ever has. (Which is saying a lot.) I didn't even bother to turn on Smackdown or ECW. I've got a half wanted CHIKARA King of Trios DVD set sitting next to me. I was very excited about watching it prior to Wrestlemania, but now I lack the desire to pop it in. I've got a ticket to SHIMMER DVD taping at the end of the month, and, though I'm sure that I'll still go, but I fear that the special feeling will be gone.
Really, anything that I've tried to do anything related to professional wrestling after that match has not been the same. It's not necessarily that I'm bummed out because we're now in a post-Flair world. The issue is a different one altogether. You see, I had a strong reaction to last weekend's festivities. I was on the edge of my seat for the entire Flair Hall of Fame speech. I was on the edge of my seat for the entire Flair/Michaels match. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time I peered at that tiny YouTube screen for the Raw farewell party. In a three day span, professional wrestling made me cry more frequently than it had done in the preceding fifteen years, which is quite the accomplishment given all of industry's premature deaths and other tragedies. I feel that, no matter what I watch in professional wrestling, I will never experience this sort of emotional reaction again. At least for me, it feels like professional wrestling has peaked. As such, I have a hard time trying to figure out what the point of watching it again would be. I mean why bother wasting my time when I know that nothing I see will come near the level of the most memorable and emotional weekend that I have ever had as a fan? Is it really worth my time?
I hope the answer to that question is "yes." I hope that I'm just being overly melodramatic and that this is not the end. However . . . who knows? Maybe this really is it, and maybe there's no point in going on after hitting this one big high. I suppose, if anything, the fact that I'm even having this debate with myself is a testament to just how much Ric Flair meant to professional wrestling. It was he and he alone who could take me to the pinnacle of my excitement for the sport, and, now that he's done, I might be too.
"And, though I have no clue who he was, the gentleman in Mayweather's corner who kept yelling "HE CAN'T BE DOING THAT!" every time that Show did ANYTHING to Floyd is now my new favorite manager."
That would be Leonard Ellerbe, who is Mayweather's manager and business adviser. As a boxing fan, I'm not a big fan of either, but Ellerbe was totally awesome and my favorite thing about the match. If only he would fall for a Nigerian scam and have to come back to the WWE to make some money...
Posted By: Pizza Delivery Jones (Guest) on April 06, 2008 at 04:58 AM
man, ryan, you are not meloframatic. WM24 weekend was a remarkable experience for any wrestling fan. Wrestling without flair is like the ellen show without ellen or any self title tv program without that person.
everything changed when "little naitch" counted 3. but as they say, wrestling has a 13 months 367 day season. the show will go on.
Posted By: rey (Guest) on April 06, 2008 at 07:03 AM
Just take a break from pro-wrestling. It's kinda difficult to do, considering that you've been a fan for so long and that you have duties here in 411, but you really should. Maybe after a week, a month or a year you'll realize that you need to get your needed dose of pro-wrestling AGAIN. Nice article/review/news report, by the way. This was very long, but it was totally interesting reading it.
Posted By: Justin Thomas (Registered) on April 06, 2008 at 07:45 AM
I feel blessed to have grown up during the 80's and I totally agree with this article, there are no flairs, undertakers, hogans, HBK replacements stepping up... and everyone who has tried has failed..
There are a number of wrestlers spawned in the style of these greats, I don't need to list them, just think of flair, hogan and HBK and you'll have wrestlers that come to mind.
Would you claim that any of them can succeed in todays over-scripted world, perhaps but the problems are much deeper.
A lot of people criticise TNA but regardless of their faults the problem is not with them, it's with creativity and a good foundation.
We're losing wrestlers, we're losing great minds, heyman and bischoff are gone... vince won't live forever. We're losing the passion, the training depth, the very elements that make wrestlers are currently stagnant.
A lot of people support ring of honor for the simple slow burn way that they are building and building, they will be at TNA's level in less than 10 years and they have The American Dragon who people say is like WCW's sting or flair in the way her could draw, they have CM Punk and Samoa Joe as alumni, both of whom are aparent world champions this year... if they walked away from the WWE and TNA and went back to ROH after that when they had a TV deal you have the basis for real competition.
but thats for my kids to enjoy, I feel similar to Ryan, nothing has that big feel to it.. and the fact that a whole next generation of rhodes, flairs, Harts et al are coming in during such a harsh period is more good strategy on Vince's part, hoping to spark a fire.
Wrestling is not dead, but it's awful dull right now. Some will critique me for being to serious on this but the bottom line is this, if wrestling is entertainment and I'm not entertained, don't I have the right to walk away?
Posted By: Mark Williams (Guest) on April 06, 2008 at 09:13 AM
I'm so tired of people being overdramatic about this. The Ric Flair you guys love so much has been gone for a long long time.
Also, your Wrestlemania review really sucked. Lighten up a bit man. I'd say this was one of the better Manias ever, everyone overrates the old stuff to hell and back.
Posted By: Westen (Guest) on April 06, 2008 at 10:24 AM
Apparently, it was Triple H who structured the match. Not only that, but he was only asked a couple of days before the show. That's according to PWTorch, anyway.
Posted By: T.G. Corke (Registered) on April 06, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Damn, you take this stuff so seriously. An old guy retired, get over it, Flair hasn't been the same since 1991 or whenever he won the Royal Rumble. Lets talk about the most important fact, Edge closed down Wrestlemania. He is the face of the WWE. Remember him ripping on Flair during their feud? Edge on the side of the road in a Nature Boy robe and acting crazy. Priceless.
Posted By: Matt (Guest) on April 06, 2008 at 11:16 AM
I do agree with most of what you wrote, but from what I read from your wrestling columns and news reports your too much of a wrestling fan to give it up altogether. Maybe you really just need some time off, so you can recharge energies.
By the way, does this mean no Crater this week? I'm truly going to miss that column, your one of the few people who are objectif and whom I feel has a real desire for the success of TNA, and still you have an honest and blunt point of view about the product. That I shall truly miss! That and your weird sense of humour!
Posted By: Kristi (Guest) on April 06, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Suck it up Byers. Theres more about/to wrestling than JUST Ric Flair. Sure he was great but this is not the end of the world. We can still look foward to the the matches of the stars in the company today and not dwell on Flair forever. Sure its a big deal that the greatest to ever lace a pair of boots has retired but this should not be your end as a fan. There are plenty of other current roster members who bust their ass for our entertainment and are capable of great matches still. Get over it and look to the future man.
Posted By: NWO 4 Life (Guest) on April 06, 2008 at 01:03 PM
An absolutely superb column this wek.
Posted By: Jigsaw (Guest) on April 06, 2008 at 01:23 PM
Ryan, watch Summerslam 92 - particularly the WArrior/Savage and Bret/Bulldog matches. After watching them, I think you will then see that the crowd at Wrestlemania 24, stadium and all, just didn't give a shit. :D
Posted By: Christopher Warrior (Guest) on April 06, 2008 at 01:44 PM
But shouldn't you have felt this way say around 2002, when Ric's career as a wrestler was truly entering its last legs.
Posted By: Guest#4469 (Guest) on April 06, 2008 at 02:33 PM
If you're still a teenager... you cannot comment on Flair... end of story... so all you youngsters shrugging your shoulders and saying "no big deal", you just don't understand...
I can't believe I'm about to say this...
But the youth of today do not respect the history, accomplishments, and achievements of those that came before them. It's always been that way, and it always will be that way... so I can't be mad at you.
Even if you watched the DVD's, and read his wikipedia page, and listened to old farts (28 years old) like me go on and on about him... you didn't experience it, and you didn't live it... so you can be informed, but you don't understand.
But in 15-20 years, if you're still watching wrestling, you'll understand what I'm saying when some 15 year old quips "pfft... HBK wasn't all that."
That being said...
Byers... I completely understand where you're coming from. And I totally feel you when you say the volume got turned down... because I had to re-watch the rest of the show just yesterday to appreciate Edge/Taker, without the emotional hangover of Flair disappearing into the curtain. And I too skipped Raw... and watched the ceremony on Youtube... and I honestly thought it was over for me as a wrestling fan.
But a strange thing happened the other day, when I was rewatching the ceremony.. I spotted JTG on the ramp clapping for Flair.
JTG? WTF?
So I did another youtube search, and I cracked a smile when I heard.... YO YO YO YOYO... crack a 40 and check ya rolies... it's CRYME TIME!!!!
BROOKLYN BROOKLYN...
And I realized that no matter how sad I was, and how down on the business I may be... there are so few things in life that get me to crack a genuine smile in spite of myself... and watching wrestling is one of them...
It might take you longer than it took me to bounce back from losing your hero, and the one constant connection to your youth that remained an active part of your entertainment experience...
Because that's how I felt, like I was losing the last piece of my youth when Flair disappeared through the curtain...
But trust me... the smile will return, and you'll remember why you fell in love with the business in the first place. You'll remember why you used to pose in front of the bathroom mirror when you were 8, and cut promos on your best friends on the basketball court at recess.
Posted By: Rollz (Guest) on April 06, 2008 at 03:35 PM
If you are truly a Ric Flair fan, then yes, take a break, or hell, quit watching wrestling altogether. An era has ended and for some, there's no reason to keep watching the following one.
However if you're a fan of Wrestling, then there's no reason to leave the sport you love to watch. One great wrestler retires, but there are dozens more who are or will be as great (if not GREATER) than the Naitch.
Wrestling fans, stay tuned for what's to come.
Flair fans, farewell.
Posted By: JA Toro (Guest) on April 06, 2008 at 03:56 PM
The reason matches don't seem as good today is because people pick them apart before they even happen. Wrestling can't hold up to this. People need to just watch the match first then talk about it.
Posted By: Guest#1636 (Guest) on April 06, 2008 at 04:36 PM
Let me offer the other side of the coin...
Consider this, Mr. Byers; the fact that this storyline, this event, this simple moment it time, has made you actually FEEL SOMETHING... maybe that alone should be considered evidence enough to KEEP watching!
You weren't the only one to see this unfold. The thousands in the stands, the millions at home, and all "The Boys" in the back watched Flair "walk that aisle" one last time. Maybe, just maybe, the loss of Ric Flair the wrestler will inspire someone else to step up their own game, and create an opportunity to make you again FEEL SOMETHING when you watch this, as you said, "wacky hybrid of sport and theater."
Time passes, heroes disappear... all that matters is what we build now upon the foundation we have been given.
Posted By: a conspiracy theory (Guest) on April 06, 2008 at 04:49 PM
Man up, watch some puro and get over yourself.
Posted By: Matt (Guest) on April 06, 2008 at 08:56 PM
... who gives a flying crap if he ever watches wrestling again?!... Flair rules! I was there! it was great! you all need to stop the over the top melodrama, who posts "the best tribute" BS and find your penises, for the love of god... it's an end of an era, It's a rare thing in wrestling but wrestling is what it is...
You all sound like my little sister who locked herself in her room and cried after Steamboat/Savage at WM3, only she was 7 at the time!
Posted By: Burtle (Guest) on April 06, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Sounds like you should take a break. But at the end of the day, you have to realize; it's just pro wrestling. So take some time off, and then, in the words of the Briscoes, "MAN UP!"
Posted By: Tim (Guest) on April 06, 2008 at 11:36 PM
A couple of things:
1. You have to review shows based on what thy are, not what you want them to be. By your own admission, you didn't do this.
2. There's no way WM24 is one of the weaker Wrestlemanias of the last decade. It was so clearly better than WM15, WM16, WM21, and WM22. That puts it in pretty good company, especially considering how awesome WM17, WM18, WM20, and WM23 were.
3. Your response to the ending of the Flair/Michaels match was just what it should have been. It makes you someone who follows the angles and TV and has the EXACT response the promoters wanted you to. They wanted you to feel sad and they played with your emotions. Take heart, because on Monday night, they'll want you to be invested in something else (like the HBK/Batista continuation of the Flair story), and just like the big fan you and the rest of us are, you'll follow that too.
There were many of us that declared pro wrestling wasn't fun anymore after the Benoit tragedy. Well, if that incident didn't shake us of our fandom, I dare say no much will.
Relax. It's just wrestling.
Posted By: DG (Guest) on April 07, 2008 at 01:30 AM
You think way too much to be a wrestling fan, dude. Stop watching it until you can watch a match first and worry about the "well being of the participants" later.
I mean, Jeez! Talk about over analyzing!
...and yeah, it's been a while since Ric Flair was even barely passable in the ring. Stop crying rivers, IWC. The "end of the era" happened like 10 years back or so.
Posted By: Guest#6577 (Guest) on April 07, 2008 at 03:19 AM
i dunno what u expect from wrestlemanina coz it was good, sound like the biggest sook ever, nothing could please you
Posted By: Guest#1983 (Guest) on April 08, 2008 at 12:15 AM