411’s TNA Lockdown Report 4.13.08
Posted by Larry Csonka on 04.13.2008
Samoa Joe finally captures the TNA World Title!
Remember to send your thoughts on the show: a score from 1-10, match of the night and trash of the night!
~LOCKDOWN 2008~
-Tenay starts us with a pre-tape in the empty arena inside the cage. Putting over the stipulation that if Joe loses, he has to retire.
-We get the PPV opening video now, putting over the brutality of the steel cage match.
-All matches will take place in the six-sides of steel!
-They are using the regular cage instead of the shitty one they used last year.
-Live from Tsongas Arena in Lowell, Mass!
-Mike Tenay and Don West are the announcers. West is in the crowd doing his super hype mode! Borash is also in the crowd and they are hyping the show and asking who will win the main event.
Thankfully we're working tag rules to begin. Dutt and Devine to begin. Dutt and Devine off the ropes, RANA by Dutt, springboard into an arm drag and they stand off. Devine wants a tag, they all take a shot and then Dutt nails Curry Man. Dutt and Machismo are working the double-teams and then hug. They set Devine up top, both go up and then Curry and Sharky over…TOWER OF DOOM. Devine held on, but Creed in to toss him off. Machismo and Dutt continue to work together and they work over Creed. Sharky in, CHUMMER on Machismo! Dutt makes the save and then Devine rolls up Dutt for the pin @ 2:50!
Missile dropkick by Sharky, he works over Devine against the cage. Lays the boots to him, Creed in and gets the fisherman's neck breaker. Curry Man in, Creed misses a corner splash and then Curry Man sets him in the corner and gets the hip attack. Curry Man and Shark work together, but get tossed together. Creed gets the Hammerlock DDT on Sharky and he is gone @ 4:30.
Knee strike and rolling thunder to Curry Man and he covers for 2. Curry Man trips up Creed, gets a clothesline and then goes up top. Dutt is still at ringside with Val. Curry Man ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP! Devine crotches him, Devine up top, Machismo over and he and Devine battle. Machismo knocked off. Devine MISSES a shooting star press! Machismo with the cartwheel but Creed levels him. Double backdrop to Machismo. Curry Man is still up, SENTON ONTO DEVINE AND CREED FROM THE TOP OF THE CAGE~! Whips Creed into Devine, SPICE RACK on Creed and he is gone @ 7:15.
Machismo, Curry Man and Devine are left. Devine rolls up Curry Man for 2. Hart Attack on Devine gets 2 for Machismo. Curry Man rolls up Machismo for 2. Jabs by Machismo, elbows now and then a boot. Curry Man and Machismo up top, back to the mat, SPICE RACK on Machismo! Devine kicks Curry Man in the head. DEVINE INTERVENTION on Curry Man and he is gone @ 8:40.
We're down to Devine and Machismo, elimination rules. Machismo tossed into the cage, and now Devine chokes him with the wrist tape. Now he tapes Machismo to the ropes and goes to escape. Dutt holds the cage door closed, so Devine has to climb. Dutt now gets a knife and gives it to Machismo so he can free himself. Devine at the top of the cage and Machismo gets free, Dutt opens the cage door and Machismo dives through to keep the title!
Winner: Black Machismo @ 10:40 via pin
Rating: **½
-Machismo, Dutt and Val celebrate.
-JB is with Frank Trigg. Trigg says if Angle and Joe are like him, they are throwing up because they are nervous. Kurt has been here before, and he won the gold. He is used to this. Joe hasn't had the big limelight, and he failed against Angle three times, and he feels he can't win tonight. He thinks Joe can hang, but Angle is so intense, and he will win. Trigg says Marcus Davis is a good trainer, but his training is not enough. Joe winning is probable yes, it could happen, but it won't. He hopes for a good going away party for Joe.
QUEEN OF THE CAGE MATCH: Angelina Love vs. Velvet Sky vs. Salinas vs. Rhaka Khan vs. Traci Brooks vs. Christy Hemme vs. Ms. Jackie Moore vs. Roxxi Laveaux
The match begins on the floor with the above listed ladies. The first two that make it into the cage then get to battle for the honor of being the first ever Queen of the Cage.
The winner is also the #1 contender for the Knockouts Title. They all brawl and try to get into the cage. Moore and Brooks pair off as Sky and Love beat down Roxxi. Khan takes down Hemme, Love climbs and is almost at the top. She is and is over and climbing in. That's one. Sky begins to climb as does Brooks. Hemme and Salinas try to stop Khan as Roxxi climbs. Roxxi is over the top and in! That wasn't quite as bad as I imagined.
We begin the actual match @ 1:45. They stare down, shove and then trade forearms. A clothesline by Roxxi, off the ropes and then a corner splash. A boot off the ropes by Roxxi and a cover for 2. Love back with a clothesline and slams the head of Roxxi off of the mat. Love tries to choke out Roxxi, and then gets a bicycle kick and cover for 2. Love throws a fit, crowd pretty hot for Roxxi as Love chokes her out on the ropes. Roxxi fights back, but Love escapes the dominator and gets a flatliner/lights out. She covers for 2. Chops by Love, off the ropes and Roxxi goes for a German, countered and a roll up, kicked off and Love hits the cage. VOODOO CRUSHER by Roxxi and that is all!
Winner: Roxxi @ 5:30 via pin
Rating: *¾
-In the back and the new girl Lauren is with Joe. This was taped earlier today. She discusses what will happen if Joe loses. He says he doesn't need a refresher. People wonder what will happen if he loses, but he has not considered it. Kurt knows he can win, and Joe will be DAMNED if he will lose. Joe has given his life to the sport, and if Kurt thinks that he can take it away, he is mistaken. Joe is on a mission, and Angle has what he desires. He will sacrifice it all tonight. He wanted Angle at his best, so when he loses that Joe is the TNA World Champion.
-We get a video package for BG vs. Kip James.
BG James vs. Kip James
Kip cheap shots BG to begin and the bell rings. Kip with rights as BG is down, and then boots him in the head. Another boot to the head, BG gets up and Kip gets a cutter and BG is down. Kip tosses BG to the cage, and then slams his head into the cage as BG is between the ropes and cage. It's all Kip thus far. Irish whip, elbow by BG and as he comes off the ropes he takes a knee to the gut. Elbow by Kip and then into a chinlock. BG fights to his feet, elbows out and then a knee by Kip. Off the ropes, a kick and then BG is tossed into the cage. Kip stalks BG, boot, and the fameasser connects. Kip takes his time, and then covers 1…2…NO! Kip to the second rope, MISSES the fameasser, and a LOW BLOW by BG. Rights by Kip, then by BG. They trade mid-ring, off the ropes and a back elbow by BG. Off the ropes again, jabs by BG, dances and then tosses Kip into the cage. And again! And again! A big right by BG, shaky knee drop and the cover gets 2. BG misses a boot and crotches himself on the ropes. Kip tunes up the band? Misses the corner charge, roll up by BG and that is all.
Winner: BG James @ 6:50 via pin
Rating: *
-BG wants to shake, they do and stare down. BG goes to leave and Kip then raises his hand. Kip then levels him with a clothesline.
-To the back with JB and Kurt Angle. This was also earlier today. Angle is focused and says before he came to TNA and he was with WWE, he would beat anyone they threw his way. Then he started to watch TNA, and he saw a man, Joe, he was an animal. He was intense, just like him. They have wrestled four times and Joe took him to the limit, and he gave him everything he had, and Joe took it. So the last time we wrestled, something had to give. He knew he had to do something drastic. They both want the title, but only one man can have it. Tonight, it is personal. In order for him to prove that he is the best, he needs to make Joe tap tonight, to beat him, to end his career. So Joe, it isn't about winning, it is about survival.
-The Monsters are attacking Eric Young backstage. Kaz makes the save as security breaks it up. They make Kaz go to the ring. Super Eric is around I hear.
CUFFS IN THE CAGE MATCH: Rellik and Black Reign vs. Eric Young and Kaz vs. Scott Steiner and Petey Williams vs. Sabin and Alex Shelley vs. Homicide and Hernandez vs. Rave and Hoyt
This is a tag team match that will have an individual winner. There will be 11-sets of handcuffs and the last man not cuffed is the winner.
We get a massive brawl to begin. Hoyt nails Rave by accident, and Steiner gets an overhead suplex to Hoyt. Suplex to Rellik as well. Tilt a whirl slam to Cide. 2nd rope Samoan Drop (HE ISN'T SAMOAN) to Rave. Hernandez and Cide then double team Steiner, drive by and Hoyt, Black Reign and others attacks Steiner. They handcuff Steiner and he is out.
They continue to beat on him for fun, the Machineguns work together as Eric Young makes his way out and tries to climb in. The Monsters scare him as the crowd actually chants for Super Eric. Eric leaves. The Monsters beat down Kaz, Alex superkicks someone and then gets handcuffed by Petey.
Kaz tosses Sabin into the cage and handcuffs him.
More brawling, Petey works over Rellik but Black Reign is over to stop that. The Monsters double team him and then drag him to the cage, and they handcuff him as well.
LAX works over Hoyt, Kaz over and he and Cide brawl. To the top rope, Hernandez grabs him up…DOOMSDAY GRINGO CUTTER~! Rave takes a SICK CRACKA JACK into the cage! Hoyt grabs Hernandez, gets a clothesline and Black Reign is over to beat on him. Rave and Kaz up top, Hernandez gets cuffed.
FLUX CAPACITOR BY KAZ ON RAVE~! The Monsters beat him down now, and Cide has now been cuffed.
Kaz fights for his life, Hoyt up top, Kaz kicks him and then goes up top with him. Hoyt fights him off, TOP ROPE CHOKESLAM ON KAZ~! Damn. The Monsters cuff Kaz.
It is down to the Monsters of Rock now. They brawl as the crowd chants for Super Eric. Here he comes. He rushes the ring, climbs up top and DIVES ONTO ALL FOUR MEN! He handcuffs Rave. Tosses Hoyt to the cage, and then he cuffs him and it is down to the Monsters and Super Eric.
They double-team him, and Eric cuffs Rellik.
It is down to Black Reign and Super Eric. DVD on Black Reign. He cuffs Black Reign and that is all.
After the match Super Eric breaks the cuffs of Kaz and they celebrate.
Winner: Super Eric and Kaz @ 10:45
Rating: **
-Lauren is with Joe's family/dance team. It is Joe's father and brothers. She asks if they are concerned that Joe may lose, and his dad says falling short is not an option. This is all Joe ever wanted, to wrestle. He worked on it and tonight they are here to support him. He will fight an ICON, and win or lose, he loves his son because of what he accomplished thus far.
-We get a video package for Awesome Kong and Raisha Saeed vs. Gail Kim and ODB.
Awesome Kong and Raisha Saeed vs. Gail Kim and ODB
Saeed has a version of the burka as her ring gear, with more of a mask to cover her face. ODB and Kong to begin. Lock up, rights by ODB and then she slams Kong's ass. This angers Kong, she grabs ODB by the hair and then tosses her across the ring. Kim tags in, and she wants Saeed. Saeed tags in, lock up and a go behind by Saeed. Kim reverses and then an arm drag by Saeed and then she slams the arm of Kim to the mat repeatedly. Saeed works the arm, wristlock and Kim fires back, gets an arm drag but Saeed takes her down. Forearm shot by Saeed, another and then a slam. Muta like elbow drop by Saeed gets 2. Fisherman's suplex by Saeed for 2. To the corner, leg kicks by Saeed, forearm shots and then an Irish whip, float over and a dropkick by Kim. Head scissors by Kim and then a roll up for 2. Kim in control, forearm shots, off the ropes and a reversal that allows Kong to slam Kim into the cage. Irish whip by Saeed, charging forearm shot and then sets Kim on the 2nd rope. Kim kicks her off, rights by Saeed, she goes back up and starts to kick Kim's face into the cage! ODB wants in but Saeed drags Kim to the corner and tags in Kong. Double chops to Kim and then a corner splash connects. Tag to Saeed, she covers Kim for 2. Irish whip Saeed misses a forearm charge and this allows Kim to spear her. Tag to ODB, clothesline to Saeed. Another. Splash to Kong against the cage! ODB is on fire. Sack of shit slam to Saeed. Kip up and ODB covers for 2 as Kong makes the save. Kim in and all four brawl now. Forearms by Saeed to Kim, she goes up top and Saeed up with her. Saeed looks for a powerbomb…SUPERRANA BY GAIL~! Kong then kills her with a clothesline. She grabs ODB, but ODB fires back with rights. Saeed nails ODB, holds her and Kong BACKFISTS SAEED~! MISSILE DROPKICK BY KIM! ODB climbs to the top rope and slashes Saeed! 1…2…3!
Winners: Gail Kim and ODB @ 8:30 via pin
Rating: ***
-JB is with Karen Angle. She is here to support Kurt because she is concerned about him.
Booker T and Sharmell vs. Robert Roode and Payton Banks
Roode and Booker will start it off. Roode attacks as Booker and Sharmell talk. Rights by Roode, but Booker fights back with chops in the corner. Chops by Roode but Booker with the rights and more chops. Off the ropes, reversal and a sidekick by Booker. In the corner, mounted punches by Booker. Roode tries an atomic drop, countered but Roode gets a dropkick and then rights to Booker. Roode chokes out Booker along the ropes, and then gets a neck breaker or 2. High knee drop by Roode gets 2. Booker fights back, forearm shots, off the ropes but Roode gets a boot. He shoots off the ropes and Booker manages a leg lariat. A boot, off the ropes and a spinebuster by Roode gets 2. An Irish whip, counters and a sidekick by Booker and both men are down. Rights by Booker, chops, off the ropes and a forearm by Booker. A clothesline and then a suplex gets 2. More chops by Booker, he gets the corner roll up for 2. Roode fires back, off the ropes and he takes a spinebuster. SPINAROONIE…IN A CAGE~! Boot to Roode, off the ropes and misses the AX kick, goes for a Bookend, countered and Roode then tosses Booker into the cage. Roode wants Sharmell to tag in, and Sharmell does tag herself in and attacks Roode. He grabs her and Banks tags in. Roode holds her, Banks talks shit to Booker and Sharmell escapes and Banks slaps Roode. Sharmell then rolls up Banks for the win.
Winners: Booker and Sharmell T @ 7:45 via pin
Rating: *½
-The T's celebrate and Roode is not happy with Banks. They argue in the ring and he looks to hit her. Roode then leaves her in the ring.
-Lauren is with MMA Fighter Marcus Davis, who has been training Joe. He discusses the training the he put Joe through and says Joe is a complete fighter. Davis says that Angle is an unbelievable athlete and Joe needs to stick to the plan and use the tools he has and refined in training. If he does so, he will win.
-We get a video package for Lethal Lockdown.
THE LETHAL LOCKDOWN MATCH: TEAM TOMKO (Tomko, AJ Styles, Brother Ray, Brother Devon, James Storm) vs. TEAM CAGE (Christian Cage, Rhino, Kevin Nash, Sting, Matt Morgan)
This is under War Games Rules. The first two men will battle for five minutes, after that a man will enter every two minutes. When all 10-men are in, then the roof is lowered, and lethal lockdown officially begins. There cannot be a pin or submission until all 10-men are in.
Christian Cage and Tomko will begin the match. NO…shenanigans! AJ snuck in during Tomko's entrance and climbed in the cage and attacked Cage! AJ beats down Cage after the surprise attack. Team Tomko does have the advantage, as they should as far as the draw goes. AJ rakes the eyes of Cage, and then gets the dropkick. Cage tries to fight back with chops, backs AJ into a corner and starts to beat him down. Back elbow by AJ, almost blows the Asai DDT, Cage then counters but AJ then gets the DDT. Good cover spot. AJ with an Irish whip, charges in and misses the corner splash. Clothesline by Cage and he goes up top. FROG SPLASH MISSES! AJ goes for the clash, countered and Cage gets an inverted DDT. Jawbreaker by AJ, goes for a RANA but Cage gets a sit out powerbomb. Cage tosses AJ to the steel, unprettier try…but AJ fights, PELE to Cage!
The clock runs down and the 2nd member of Team Tomko is Brother Ray. He is wearing a Derek Jeter Jersey. AJ tosses Cage to the door of the cage and Ray slams it into his face. That had to suck. Big backdrop by Ray followed by an elbow drop. We get a Yankees Suck Chant. Boston crab by Ray and AJ dropkicks Cage in the face. Cage fights back, but they slam him into the steel. AJ and Ray are in control and choke out Cage. Chops by Ray, Ray then holds Cage and chops by AJ.
The clock runs down and the second member of Team Cage is Rhino! Rhino charge sin and cleans house. Belly to big belly on Ray. Tries a gore, but AJ dropkicks him in the face. AJ lays the boots to Cage, Irish whip by Ray and Rhino reverses and tries to fight off both men. Rights to both, but Ray back with chops to stop that. AJ back to choking out Cage, but he fights back. Tries a sleeper on Ray, but he drops back and crushes Cage.
The third member of Team Tomko is James Storm! Storm attacks Cage, WHIRLY BIRD on Cage! Storm and Rhino now pair off. AJ gets tosses, Spiderman's the cage, Rhino follows and they fight on the top rope. Rights by AJ, chops by Rhino. They both climb now, AJ kicks him off and is on top of the cage. Cage runs up the cage and they sit on top and trade shots.
The third member of Team Cage is Kevin Nash. Ray knocked Christian to the floor from the top. Nash in and clears people out with rights, catches AJ off of a dive, snake eyes! Ray then chop blocks the knee, Cage climbs back up top and DIVES ONTO STORM AND RAY~! Everyone is down now. Rhino is to his feet first as ray and Nash pair off. Cage back to attack AJ, Nash with elbows to Ray.
The clock runs down and the fourth member of Team Tomko is Devon. Devon attacks Cage first, then Rhino and then he and Ray toss Cage into the steel. Double tackle to Rhino and then back to attack the knees of Nash. Nash tries to fight back but gets taken back down. Storm works over Cage, chokes him out and then delivers a dropkick against the cage. Ray rakes Storm's face off of the steel.
The clock runs down and the fourth member of Team Cage is Matt Morgan. Morgan in and hits anything that moves. Big boot to AJ. Bicycle kick to Ray. Rights to Devon, tosses him to the cage as Nash tosses AJ to the cage. Ray attacks the knees of Morgan now, Rhino and Nash beat down Storm and Devon is busted open. Morgan levels team 3D. AJ flips out of a chokeslam, but Morgan gets a cool flapjack on AJ.
Tomko is out to complete his team. Tomko has a chair with him, the ref takes it and he is in. He and Morgan pair off, but now Team Tomko start to take control as they have the advantage. Cage and Tomko are brawling as Ray beats down Morgan. Devon is bleeding a lot actually as we see a close up. DDT by Tomko on Rhino as the crowd begins chanting for Sting.
The clock runs down and here is Sting! Team Tomko waits on Sting, he hits the ring and starts to do the Superman deal. He hits everyone and AJ then rakes his eyes. LOW BLOW by Sting to AJ! LOW BLOW TO STORM!
They lower the roof and LETHAL LOCKDOWN BEGINS! There is a ladder and table on top of the cage, we should see some craziness. Everyone goes for weapons and they start to brawl with the weapons. Storm starts to climb on top of the cage and makes it. Cage follows him up there and Storm with trashcan lid shots. The brawling in the ring is secondary now as Cage and Storm battle. Storm goes for a suplex, but Cage fights him off and the ceiling of the cage rips and there is a small hole now. Cage works over Storm and beats him down with lid shots. Reverse 3D on Rhino in the ring. Nash and Morgan get stereo chokeslams on Team 3D. Tomko is killing bitches with chair shots, until Sting dropkicks a chair into his face. Scorpion deathlock on Tomko, but AJ with cane shots breaks that up. Cage sets up the table on top, AJ goes up top now and nails Cage. They lay Cage on the table and then they set the ladder up. AJ starts to climb the ladder, Cage is up and slams Storm into the ladder. Cage climbs the ladder, he and AJ brawl…they tease a toss off and Storm climbs up as well. PLEASE DON'T DIE CHANT! Storm pushes over the ladder and CAGE AND AJ FALL THROUGH THE TABLE ON TOP OF THE CAGE! That HAD to SUCK! Storm back into the ring now. He drinks a beer, and KILLS MORGAN with the beer bottle! SICK GORE BY RHINO ON STORM~! 1…2…3! Awesome.
Winner: TEAM CAGE @ 26:45 via pin
Rating: ****
-We get a video package for Joe vs. Angle.
-Karen Angle is at ringside.
-Frank Trigg joins the commentary team.
-They show Joe walking from the back and we get another video package on Joe. A really nice addition to things.
-SAMOAN FIRE DANCE TEAM~!
-Marcus Davis is in the ring with Joe, he will present the title to the winner.
-We see Angle walking from the back and he gets a video package. This is great stuff, and a spectacular job of building the main event not only here, but all through out the show.
-Angle comes to the ring with his hands and ankles taped, no boots and MMA style baggy shorts. He looks like a bad ass.
-JB does the super special ring announcing.
-Angle asks for the ref to remove Karen from ringside, and security comes out to take her away.
Here we go kids, the build has been awesome, let's see if they can deliver. IT IS ON! Jabs by Angle to begin, body kick by Joe and more jabs by Angle. To the corner, they clinch and the ref separates them. Leg kicks by Angle, knuckle lock now and then more leg kicks by Angle. Joe with a leg kick, Angle catches one and they go to the ground and Joe gets an ankle lock and Angle gets the ropes. Angle takes Joe down, gets some rights and they go to the ropes. Angle shoot sin, rights on Joe and more from the mount and they go to the ropes and we get a break. The crowd is into this thus far, which is good. Angle shoot sin, eats a kick to the face and Joe I with punches from the mount. Angle gets the ropes and they break. They lock up, knees by Angle, Joe stomps on his feet and slams Angle down. They stand off, clinch up and then Angle with a great belly to back suplex, into the mount and looks for a cover. Over under choke by Angle, working for the submission but Joe gets the ropes. Big split chants as Angle with a knee to Joe. Rights and lefts by Angle, works the from face lock and to the feet, overhead belly to belly by Angle gets 2 as Joe gets the ropes. Uppercuts by Angle, back down and mounted rights by Angle and then works the cross arm breaker, Joe defends as he locks the hands and stacks Angle up and gets a cover for 2. Angle gets the ropes, they break and Angle back on the attack with rights. Jabs by Joe, off the ropes and a chop block by Angle. Figure four by Angle…WOOOOOOOOO~! Joe is trapped in the middle of the ring, he works to escape as Angle keeps the hold on. Joe tries to roll it, but Angle keeps him center ring. Shoulders down and the ref counts 2. Joe struggles to turn it but fails again. Crowd starts to not like it, but does when Joe finally turns it. Angle breaks the hold. Joe is hurting and limping. Angle works the leg, elbow drops now and a knee crank now. Chops by Joe, and Angle switched to a side headlock.
10-minutes in now, Joe escapes and off the ropes, counters a suplex and KILLS ANGLE WITH A CLOTHESLINE! Angle landed on his head on that, damn. Both men are down, the ref counts, Joe is up, Angle is up and a forearm by Joe levels Angle. A clothesline does as well. KNEE OF DOOM in the corner! Angle with a back elbow, ENZIGURI by Joe. MUSCLE BUSTER countered into a roll up into the ankle lock! Angle works the hold, stands and cranks away on it, Joe kicks him off and as Angle charges Joe gets the STJOE for a close 2! Eye rake by Angle, but Joe gets a kick and POWERBOMB, into the Boston crab! Lion tamer style! Angle fights, Joe pulls him back and gets the cross face! Angle fights for the ropes, Joe pulls him back and cranks on the hold! PLEASE TAP OUT chant! Angle looks for the ankle, rolls and gets the ankle lock! Joe rolls back into the cross face! Angle crawls, wants the ropes, Angle escapes for a moment but Joe locks it back in! Angle escapes and gets he ropes. Angle charges Joe, cross face again! Angle rolls INTO AN ANGLE SLAM~! 1…2…NO! Ankle lock again by Angle, Joe fights, kicks out and Angle holds on! Joe looks to tap, SCREAMS NO! Flips Angle around into the CHOKE! He has Angle trapped, Angle grabs at the ref to get towards the ropes and does. The ref makes Joe break the hold. Joe is pissed, Angle up and the Angle Slam is countered and Joe slams Angle into the cage! Joe sets up Angle…MUSCLE BUSTA CONNECTS! 1…2…3!
Despite a lot of worrying the match worked big time. They worked the MMA/UWFI style for a while, transitioned into more of a pro wrestling match and the great build paid off. We also got a clean finish with no bullshit.
Winner: AND NEW CHAMPION SAMOA JOE @ 17:45 via pin
Rating: ****½
-Marcus Davis come sin to present Joe with the title. Joe falls to his knees and celebrates with the title. Joe celebrates as the show goes to black.
-End scene…
Remember to send your thoughts on the show: a score from 1-10, match of the night and trash of the night!
Posted By: Anonymous Smart Mark (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 10:57 PM
JOE!! JOE!! JOE!! FINALLY!!!!!
Posted By: samoaray25 (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 10:58 PM
JOE killed that "kurk angel" guy dead.
Posted By: JOE (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 10:58 PM
I would say all the ratings are exact except the X-Scape match, that should be AT LEAST 2 3/4 STARS, IF NOT 3 STARS.
Posted By: Zack D. (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Finally Joe wins the title....... $50 bucks says he loses it live on Impact lulz
Posted By: natedoggcata (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 10:58 PM
This is two years overdue, but congrats to Joe on finally winning the big belt.
Too bad the TNAndroids believe that every criticism directed at TNA must make one a WWE fan boy. It's criticism that gets crap like Russo's swerves and "Totally Nonstop Angle" off the air and starts pushing talent like Joe, Kaz, AJ, and Lethal.
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Finally, after TNA fans have been begging for a couple of years, Joe wins the title.
This Thursday's Impact rating: 1.1
Posted By: Guest#6991 (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 10:59 PM
wow it seemed like a nightmare of a show untill what seems like a awesome lethal lockdown and amazing mainevent, my dvd copy will be coming shortly and cant wait to see this...finally no ref bump in the main event!
Posted By: xtopnotchx (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Joe with the belt- all I can say is...FINALLY!!!
TNA takes so long to pull the trigger on everything.
Posted By: FUZEY (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Csonka are you crazy??? Joe vs Angle was terrible. You have two fantastic professional wrestlers that can work a great match if given the platform to, and what do they do? Force them to work MMA style: something both of them are mere amateurs at. almost no reaction for Joe winning. You'd expect mass fucking hysteria, which is what WOULD have occured if TNA would have just given him the damned title a few months back when it was the right time. Failure. Major failure.
Posted By: Guest#234 (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Well, I guess I can go back to watching TNA, again.
Posted By: G-Walla (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Bout Friggin Time.
Posted By: AFrigginPyre (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:02 PM
JOE! JOE! JOE! JOE!
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Joe Kills Bit*hes Dead....And now we should have the 1 year run with Joe as Champ
Posted By: Guest#2736 (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:03 PM
4 and 1/2 stars for the Main Event?!?!?!?!? What the blue hell... other than the clean finish that MMA bullshit was terrible to watch.
Good for Joe though, shame it wont change anything... at the least the women keep working well.
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:05 PM
PPV Cost - 29.95
Paying the wife to go out for the night - 50.00
Joe FINALLY winning the title - absolutely F'N priceless!!
Posted By: samoaray25 (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:06 PM
I usualy am right with you with alot of your ratings but ****1/2 for that mainevent? Your nuts or your copying others idea's. That match didn't work Nearly as that well. Your going to set here and tell me that match was better than BOTH World Title matches from WM?!?! I think not. Go watch som UWFi before you start calling this as good as one of those matches. This was as bad of a work shoot as NJPW use to do in the Mid-90's I am sorry. It was a good match but it was not that good not even close.
Posted By: Truthslayer (Registered) on April 13, 2008 at 11:07 PM
4.5 Stars for the main event? Csonka, are you high?
Yes it was nice to see Joe get the belt, but the 'oooo is it MMA... oooo is it a Ric Flair tribute... oooo is professional wrestling' malarky was terribly contrived, and rather than showing an original idea, was just 3 unoriginal concepts jammed into one.
Posted By: Tricky (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Csonka, Angle and Joe was crap! ****1/2 stars for that? You got to be kidding me...Over all Lockdown was shit.
Posted By: The Shaman of SeXXXy (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Not to sound ROHbotish, but the Main Event was a rehash of Low Ki/Dragon @ Round Robin Challenge... Still awesome though
Posted By: tonyface (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Either Guest #234 is being this thread's resident douche, or he's being overly sarcastic and I'm "doesn't get the bit guy."
Glad the last two matches were great, but I'm glad I didn't buy the PPV. Went and got last year's show on DVD and the all-cage thing really is a pointless gimmick. Only the blood feuds actually use the cage, and it's just decoration for standard matchups. This probably explains why there were only two really good matches in '07 (Lethal Lockdown & the tag title match if you ignore the "electricity shockwaves). Jackie/Kim was good too, but it's a female match and would have worked without the cage.
I may still buy the DVD of this year's show based on the double main event. Knowing TNA's ridiculously delayed schedule, that should be in my possession by Christmas!
Posted By: Jason S (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Watched it for free and still felt ripped off. Call me a WWE mark but this was just plain dull. They should just have the women wrestle, at least there's T&A there (get it?). Weak.
Posted By: Mr. America (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Finally the title has come home to Samoa Joe!!!!!
Posted By: Ervin (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:14 PM
It's all personal preference. I know not everyone will like the main event. I did. Thanks for reading.
Posted By: Larry Csonka (Registered) on April 13, 2008 at 11:14 PM
guest 234 should be bitch slapped and barred from ever making comments again after that display of stupidity.
Joe-Angle Will be the match of the year as I predicted! The Lethal Lockdown and this match was worth all of the build, which makes this PPV a success.
The key for TNA is how will they capitalize on this event.
Congratulations Joe for proving that Indy guys can get a chance at the spotlight!
Posted By: Chikara (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:14 PM
14 minutes of terrible worked MMA and then 3 minutes of wrestling doesn NOT WARRANT ****1/2!!! are you crazy?
Posted By: natedoggcata (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:15 PM
People wanted Joe to win and now they're crying... Go figure.
I thought it was a good PPV 7.5/10
Posted By: Caw (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Title win could be too little too late. Still a ton of bullshit on the card with gimmicks stacked on gimmicks. The telling part begins with the Impact tapings to see if they will actually keep things serious with the Joe/Steiner build. Also the rest of the show will need to rally from a generally lackluster PPV. I am interested in what they put together, but the problems with the show are not limited to the main event. Going forward with a long title reign is a start, but not the finish line.
Posted By: Andy (Registered) on April 13, 2008 at 11:15 PM
this was a bad ppv joe angle 3.5 and i am being nice
Posted By: randy (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:16 PM
It's all personal preference. I know not everyone will like the main event. I
did. Thanks for reading.
Posted By: Larry Csonka
Yes it is all personal prefrence except for this. A match that a good portion of people will not like can not get a high rating I am sorry. its like rateing anything if something divides people then it's not a great sorry. I would put this on par with Misawa vs Joe as they both suffured from the same problems, and there was a boring chant during that match so it didn't work.
Posted By: Truthslayer (Registered) on April 13, 2008 at 11:20 PM
It's excruciating to read some of your comments. I mean, I thought it was a great match. Not because you didn't like it you have to be all "OMG Csonka your crazy the match was barely 1/2*" Come on, that's plain stupid, if he wants to grade a match ****1/2 it's because he liked it, and so did I.
Posted By: Jackson (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Joe kills bitches DEAD~! Time time, he wins the big one.
Posted By: DarkKinger (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Half of you people saying that the main event didn't warrant 4.5 stars probably didn't even watch it since your pockets are still empty from WM.
Posted By: D-Steak (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:23 PM
Larry, ignore these retards. I bet most of these guys hate MMA... Jesus Christ...
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:25 PM
And Truthslayer's comment is beyond stupid, I mean, if anyone else hates a match and I don't, then I must force myself to hate it too? Please, probably that means you always do what other people tell you to.
Posted By: Jackson (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:25 PM
the undercard could've been a lot better and some of the finishes came outta nowhere, but the two main events delivered. i thought u might've underratedt the roode/booker t match but its not important. Samoa Joe is FINALLY the World's champion.
Posted By: bighustle (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:28 PM
EPIC FAIL.
Posted By: Shining Wiz (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Jackson...No you don't have to hate it. But if you review things then you need to keep that in mind. I know people that would like this but they wouldn't recomend it to others meaning they would say it was good but not great becouse they think its not something others would enjoy. Thats part of being a reviewer and its what seperates the really great ones from everyone else. Also the croud was not into this as much as the WANTED to be into this there is a difrence and anyone that watched the PPV could see that.
Posted By: Truthslayer (Registered) on April 13, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Fuck the assholes that are blindly bashing what sounded like a great main event simply because it's TNA.
Can someone who actually saw the show tell me what the crowd was like? I want to know if they were hot for everything, or if they sat on their thumbs throughout which will make it harder for TNA to justify holding shows outside of the fucking micro-sized Universal Studios stage.
Posted By: Jason S (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Truthslayer:
You're clearly just wrong. Ratings are subjective and based on opinion. There's no rule that says they are based on consensus.
Posted By: Andy (Registered) on April 13, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Chiakira your a moron who's opinion is about as worth as much as a used up piece of tolit paper. It would have been so much better if it led into some exchanges of blows, like a few more kicks before each takedown, or when one was mounted they try to open up with a few short elbows and then try to unleash some bombs, or even a few bucks and roll-overs to exchange who was in the dominant position.
Posted By: Guest#2034 (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Just got back from the show live and it was electric the whole nite!! Joe's title win was awesome.. Lethal Lockdown and Xscape Match were fun!! Womens Matches were good!!
Posted By: Matt (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:34 PM
I think Russo didn't realize that this was supposed to be a wrestling match. Honestly, you are crazy Larry. Stop smoking the hard shit and attemping to start controversy. You and everyone else knows this was a failed attempt to give Joe his first title in a great match. I would put a few other matches on the card over it. Honestly, it gets anywhere from 2.5 to 3 stars. Quite disaappointing.
Posted By: Yo mama (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:35 PM
MMA mixed with actual wrestling - turned out to be a great mix who would have thunk it :)
All you haters ripping on Joe and Angle saying fake mma - get a clue wrestling is fake too !!
Yet the mesh of both was a fun and entertaining experience
and pulled off quite nicely !
My only Beef with the whole PPV was FUCKING TENY AND his FAT LACKEY ! STILL WON:T STFU !!
Posted By: WTF (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:35 PM
JJ...This wasn't a MMA match it was a Pro-wrestling match. I have seen matches done like this that were far better than this. Watch the type of match Angle wrestled at ONS2 agaist Orton if both Joe and Angle wrestled like that which was a good mix of MMA and Pro Wrestling it would have worked far better.
Posted By: Truthslayer (Registered) on April 13, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Who gives a damned if Csonka rates the main event at ****1/2? Obivously he is more into MMA than you...and if he says that he likes it, this is HIS COLUMN! HE CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS! HE RUNS THE SHOW! HE CALLS THE SHOTS! If you don't like it, just crawl back to your little hole and SHUT THE HELL UP!
Great report as always, Csonka. Everything seemed to be as good as was expected. The only gripe was that Angle/Joe should had gone 30 minutes. I mean...they went that long before, and it would had great. Besides the crap-tastic Reverse Battle Royal in a cage and the Cuffs in the Cage Match, you couldn't tell that Russo was still working for the company.
Posted By: Csonka is BETTER than You (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Boring Chant? Damn these haters. So it was bad because like 10 people chanted boring? *sigh* w/e. The haters are coming left and right.
Just because you say it's bad, doesn't mean it is. It's YOUR opinion.
Posted By: Caw (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:36 PM
I can just imagine Truthslayer and his ridiculous Mr. Kennedy-like voice saying this ridiculous bullshit on YouTub now.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:37 PM
This is just funny. Joe has never impressed me, I look at him and his work and see Samoan Tazz (WWE version). He finally wins the title and his own fans are saying the match sucked. Take that feeling and imagine feeling it EVERY time the guy wrestles. Now you know what I see. TNA has appeased a handful of diehard fans and won't draw one new viewer with this move. I want the company to succeed but this won't do it. They won't even say "we are wrestling" anymore and it points to them continuing not to be a real alternative. So much talent, so little to show for it. The Knockouts are the reason to watch this company right now, I'm glad they value Roxxi enough to give her a win. If they develop guys like Kaz, AJ, Tomko etc during Joe's reign maybe ratings will actually pick up later. For now, no change.
Posted By: Jason (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Honestly, I think the title win means more now than it would have a year, or 2 years ago. He definitely had more of an unstoppable feel back in the day, but winning the belt from KURT ANGLE, outside of the impact zone in Boston in front of 6,000+, in a phenomenal match, when TNA has more of a following, imo means a lot more than it would have if he would have beaten Jeff Jarrett in front of 800 people in Orlando who didnt even pay to be there... in a solid to good match.
Again, my opinion. I agree that he was a champion calibre guy in TNA a long time ago, and they could have put it on him on multiple occasions, but in the end I think this one means more.
Posted By: comahan (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:41 PM
All the haters need to go do something else. None of you are funny nor do you make good points.
You think Joe should have had the belt his first month in the promotion or his first year? Yeah that would have been crapped on by the casual fans WHO DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS.
Geez, take some meds for the ADD and chill out. It was great, the belt changed hands. If you don't like it I am sure there is a ROH DVD that can help you.
GEEZ.
Posted By: STOP DA IDIOTS (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:42 PM
Joe winning the title = GOOD, GREAT, WONDERFUL etc...
The way it happened = BORING, SLOW etc.
Im hoping the 4.5 stars is like the Flair/HBK match at WM - 5 stars for the result and the emotion. Its a 2 star match.
And to those who say we didnt like the match because we hate MMA are idiots. MMA is MMA, Wrestling is Wrestling, never mix the two and we all win.
Posted By: Brad (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:42 PM
Over all not a bad PPV. bit of weak under card trying squeeze the whole roster in. Good to see Joe getting his due and same goes to Nikki Roxx!!
Posted By: nastrodamus (Registered) on April 13, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Andy...No rateings arn't but here i am a Movie fan and I love Evil Dead 2 but if was to rate it I wouldn't give it **** becouse I know its required taste. This match is very simular. You give a match **** stars you are basicly saying Most people need to see this becouse they will like it and can you honestly say that?
Posted By: Truthslayer (Registered) on April 13, 2008 at 11:43 PM
"People wanted Joe to win and now they're crying... Go figure.
I thought it was a good PPV 7.5/10" -Caw
Yeah Joe won, were happy. That doesn't mean will liked the match.
And just because you say it's good,doesn't mean it is.It's YOUR opinion.
Posted By: Dead Beat (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:44 PM
You guys get made at them for mixing worked MMA into wrestling, WHICH IS ALSO WORKED, RETARDS.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Truthslayer, get it hrough your head: THIS IS LARRY CSONKA'S OPINION AND HE WON'T LET ANYONE ELSE'S PLAY INTO HIS OPINION. Jesus Christ.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Larry Great Review - I loved the show 8.0 from me. The last two were awesome, tag stuff OK - Super Eric is a crackup, X Title was fantastic especially Curry Man, all the women can work except Sharmell/Banks, Roode/Booker Ok, BG filler - overall great show/great crowd involvement!
Posted By: Dr Bob Onit (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:49 PM
So it seems that we're split as to how we feel about the Joe vs Angle match. First, congrats to Joe and TNA for finally giving Joe the belt. Someone said this will not draw. While i can see where you're logically coming from, i feel that there is no one better at this point for TNA to give the belt to. All of the already established stars have held the belt and its about time they gave the belt to someone different. As for the match itself, i knew that if they incorporated the MMA stuff a lot of people would shit on it. That being said, i'm also glad they did it. This match felt for the most part real and the submission exchanges and strikes seemed very heated. its something tricky to work with but i think it came off well. One obnoxious guy yelling "boring" couldn't ruin this so i don't feel that's great evidence. It was also good that they put the MMA stuff early in the match and later shifed to pro wrestling. It opened up a lot of vulnerabilities in Samoa Joe -- vulnerablities that would later be exploited by Kurt in the match. The match built and built and when it finally broke down, we got some good submission exhanges and near falls. I can't complain about this match.
Posted By: bighustle (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:50 PM
You guys criticize two of the best wrestlers in the world for trying to do something a little bit different, yet you eat up the same crap that Vince and HHH feed you every Monday night and one Sunday out of every month. Wrestling is an art form in my eyes and any time two high class athletes try to get a little creative, I'm all for it.
I recently watched the double elimination chamber ppv and I can't wait to compare those multi-man cage matches to this year's lethal lockdown. From the sound of it, there is no comparison. The Smackdown match was utterly boring until MVP came in for 30 seconds. The Raw one was fine but completely forgettable. Lethal lockdown sounds like it had some great and memorable moments.
Posted By: D-Steak (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Truthslayer:
Not so much, if you give something a 4 or 5 star rating you're saying you personally like it more that the vast majority of matches, in this case. It's totally fair for you to give it a 2 or a 3 if you are willing to defend it or if you just don't care for the style.
Posted By: Andy (Registered) on April 13, 2008 at 11:55 PM
I can see Joe having a strong title run with this style. Steiner is next, and they could have a good main event. Bring on Lashley! This is modern pro wrestling people, Undertaker is champ with an mma finish.
Posted By: Guest#2672 (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:58 PM
CAW if I could hear a Boring chant thats not good and again the crowed wanted to be in to this match more than than they actualy where. Yes I am glad Joe Won and marked out But I didn't like the match and didn't feel it was the type of match that was needed to give Joe a good send off however his first title match with be a better place for that..I was ticked that Angle was the ONLY guy featured on for the Next PPV. I also don't feel it was a good worked shoot and I can show you MANY that where better that no one would have given 4 1/2 too. Watch Albright and Takada from UWFi or any UWFi match. You have had them droped alot this week and I don't think the people that have have seen those matches at all.
Posted By: Truthslayer (Registered) on April 13, 2008 at 11:59 PM
The IWC love to complain. When TNA does something different like Joe/Angle-Lockdown 08 they complain.
Yeah I thought the PPV was good. If you hated it, I don't care. but don't put down the people who liked it.
Posted By: Caw (Guest) on April 13, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Look Truthslayer,
I have watched ONE, count it, ONE of your "reviews" on YouTube and it was horrible. You were belching and touching your face constantly.
I mean just because you have a video cam and a computer doesn't make you a reviewer - and please don't consider yourself a "great one" either.
OMG - let's all get LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: TruthslayeD ????? (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:00 AM
Andy I guess I just look at rateings diffrently then. If you are going to do something like Larry does I think you have to keep it a bit more than just I liked it. Also I think you have to keep in mind on the other side to. There are people that don't like comedy matches but are willing to give them more credit than they feel they should becouse they know its not their cup of tea.
Posted By: Truthslayer (Registered) on April 14, 2008 at 12:05 AM
TruthslayeD ?????....Never said i was a great one did I? There are far better people on youtube than me I will admit that in a second hell one of them is on this site. I am just a guy with a cam your right never said I never said i was anything more.
Posted By: Truthslayer (Registered) on April 14, 2008 at 12:07 AM
I liked this show, best PPV of the year so far.
WrestleMania had a good main event, a damn good Flair and Shawn match, and a fun MITB match. But that is it really - the undercard and "special attraction" wasn't that great. Likewise, Lockdown had some entertaining undercard mixed in with some that wasn't. To top it off it had a damn good main event and lethal lockdown match.
Not a big MMA fan, but that didn't stop me from liking Joe/Angle. It wasn't bad, it was different, but still good and special.
Posted By: IHateTheWordSolid! (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:13 AM
"was good but not great becouse
they think its not something others would enjoy. Thats part of being a reviewer
and its what seperates the really great ones from everyone else. Also the croud
was not into this as much as the WANTED to be into this there is a difrence and
anyone that watched the PPV could see that."
The implication man. Maybe I misread it but you just came off as trying to say you knew what made someone great at reviewing wrestling. Truth is Csonka does a great job and everyone has their opinion.
I think there is too much negative said about TNA. It is as invogue as trashing WCW was back in the day.
But no one, and I mean no one, has captured the fans that WCW was still pulling in at the end of their run.
I am tired of smart marks or what ever they want to call themselves, coming on here and pooping in TNA's punch.
Who really cares if a match was 1 2 3 or a bllion stars? There is no "official" rating. Geez, just do away with the stars altogther.
AND SOMEONE BRING BACK HYATTE - it's getting too serious around here.
Posted By: TruthslayeD ????? (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:14 AM
It would be so fucking awesome to kick every whiney member of the IWC square in the balls. Nothing makes these jizzbags happy.
Posted By: Jason S (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Just got back from Lockdown and live, the main event did not liv up to the hype. The crowd was completely dead, and from comments of those around me, bored as hell, for the first half of the match. It did finally pick up, but live it was a very weird to watch. I'm not much of a MMA fan, so that may have been why, but I heard alot of people comlaining about it.
Posted By: Guest#7364 (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:19 AM
I thought the booking was a bit off, they really should have started with BG vs Kip and then into The Queen Of The Cage match. Joe vs Angle was good, started off a bit rocky but the crowd was into it and it turned out to be a good clean match. I'm sure if it would have taken place in Japan everyone would have praised it more.
Posted By: I'm not registered (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:19 AM
TruthslayeD ?????...I get what you are saying and as I said I usualy agree with what Larry says or at least understand what he is saying. Just can't with this match. I agree I do think people dump on TNA to much or at least things that they shouldn't and I don't care for TNA much at all except for Joe and the knockouts to be honest. I always try to at least say what I think is WRONG about TNA and why not just crap on them. Doesn't do any good to say something and not say what you think would make it better.
Posted By: Truthslayer (Registered) on April 14, 2008 at 12:21 AM
I'm hearing the people that purchased this complaining. Do they not have a legitimate gripe? After all, it was their money to spend and the only thing they want out of a show is entertainment. If they are not given that, by their terms, are they not allowed to be harsh towards the product?
Posted By: Guest#2034 (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:22 AM
I'm hearing the people that purchased this complaining. Do they not have a
legitimate gripe? After all, it was their money to spend and the only thing
they want out of a show is entertainment. If they are not given that, by their
terms, are they not allowed to be harsh towards the product?
Posted By: Guest#2034 (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:22 AM
...okay, that's surreal. I just posted that up on YouTube not that long ago, and someone else copied and pasted it here?
Posted By: Jarrod Westerfeld (Registered) on April 14, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Guest 2034: I'm not so sure the complainers did order the show. I think they're shitting on it simply because Larry gave it such a high grade and it was a high profile match. Nothing makes an IWC shitbag feel better than playing the "too cool for the room card" and saying something sucked even if they don't have a basis for that opinion.
Plus, I'm not sure these tools can even get PPV from their parents' basement.
Posted By: Jason S (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:29 AM
I can't wait for ROH to get Big. TNA haters are gonna become ROH haters.
Posted By: Hank (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Am I really the only person here that heard "Marcus Gaypants" when Jeremy Borash introduced Marcus Davis before Joe/Angle? Seriously, go watch it again. JB somehow turns "Marcus Davis" into "Maaaarccuuuus Gaaaayyypaaaanndttss!" It's fucking ridiculous. I was watching it with a friend and we had to rewind that shit about 5 times to be sure, but he definitely says it (ah, the joys of DVR and Jeremy Borash incompetence). I'm seriously considering downloading the entire show illegally just so I can post that one clip on YouTube.
BTW, I thought the show itself was pretty good, just way too much goofy shit and some stuff that was just mind-boggling boring (it's time to give up on the Robert Roode experiment and let Booker do something useful. Also, how the FUCK do Billy Gunn and Roaddogg still have jobs?).
Posted By: Bub (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:33 AM
Hmmm, you're very generous with your stars. Maybe that ladder spot looked better on TV, but I was in the crowd and it really was the same ladder spot we've seen a hundred times before, and that was really what the whole match centered around. And the Joe/Angle match got slow at times (again, in the live crowd, anyway.) The first match was awesome, but it was all down hill from there. And if this is TNA's biggest crowd ever, yeesh! They will never compete with WWE.
Posted By: Crow (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:45 AM
But Truthslayer, wouldn't you say that the significance of the match plays into the star rating??? I'm sure the UWFi matches that you've mentioned may have gotten lower ratings, but were they neccesarily significant matches???
Posted By: bighustle (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 01:02 AM
The Lethal Lockdown match was just a spotfest with none of the flow of the Money in the Bank Ladder matches or the previous Lethal Lockdown match and the director even missed the spot where Christian fell off the cage onto the floor. Matt Morgan was a non-factor, despite being built up to the moon on tv for the last few weeks. Plus the unprotected blows to the head were completely unnecessary. The juxtaposition of that with WWE rumoured to having a concussion testing program is just amazing. But Angle-Joe was just awesome. A great mesh of styles and great intenstity from both men. Though the bit with Karen dropping f-bombs was just a bit much.
Posted By: Guest#4158 (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 01:05 AM
My biggest gripe about this ppv were the finishes. Yes they were clean, but i just felt like a lot of them came too soon, or right when i was getting into the match. The Xscape match saw Sonjay Dutt eliminated first. This was right after Jay and Sonjay were pulling off some pretty impressive tag team spots. I thought it was gonna be Sabin/Shelley at last years LockDown. And right when things were looking good...quick rollup, sonjay gone. The Lethal Lockdown was awesome and had me on the edge of my seat, but after the big spot with Cage and AJ on the roof, Rhino hits the gore and thats it...again it just seemed like the matches were ending too abrupdtly. The undercard was nothing special but the main events delivered. Fuck star ratings. the main events were great imo
Posted By: bighustle (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 01:10 AM
If TNA plays it smart, Samoa Joe is gonna an AWESOME champion. Just awesome.
Posted By: Kristian (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 01:14 AM
This first comment is for "Truthslayer." Listen, if you're going to rip off my posting nick, at least have the decency to clean up your spelling, grammar, and capitalization. My god, you type like a fifth grader. It's embarrassing to think that anyone might mistake you for me.
Now, for everyone. I've been watching wrestling off and on for about fifty years. I remember fondly when when wrestlers used to try to make their matches seem like real contests, and not just high spot fests or movie brawls (punch stomp kick, wwe style.) It sounds like Joe and Angle, with the "MMA" style fight, were trying to return to those days when fans could actually buy into the fantasy that they were watching a real match. I personally think that any return to actual pro wrestling, as opposed to "sports entertainment," is a very good thing. If you want to chant "boring" every time someone uses an actual wrestling hold, I suggest you stick to that crapfest from Connecticut. I'm really hopeful that the Joe/Angle match, and Joe winning, means that TNA is going to try to bring back some of what made me start watching wrestling all those decades ago.
Posted By: truthsayer (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 01:21 AM
Damn, I guess everyone doesn't have a right to their own opinion. ppl get upset with you if you rate something and they don't agree with it.
Posted By: TWilliams (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 01:23 AM
Yes that was the real Truthslayer. I know It was him because he has dyslexia.
Posted By: Giver123 (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 01:30 AM
wow, everyone complains that tna isnt an alternative, but when they out on a different type of main event, they complain again. tna cant win with you guys. congrats to tna for having a big crowd and growing as a company. this was the perfect time for joe, at least they did not put it on him too early, like orton years ago.
Posted By: Mark (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 01:45 AM
I think most people here can agree on this : You either liked Joe Vs. Angle or you didnt.
This style is not for everyone. We all love wrestling here. But not everyone like the MMA style. Some thought this match was great and some thought crap. This is based on if you like MMA Style or not. Nobody is right or wrong. Its like liking Coca Cola or not.
The style is not for eveyone.
As for me I found the match good but a letdown. There was too much MMA style for my taste.
Posted By: Spike (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 02:28 AM
And Ive heard that there was both "Boring" and "We want Wrestling" chants during that match. So many fans in attendance didnt find it all to great either.
And looking at the guys in the front row, they didnt look all to excited about the match. When Joe had Angle in a submission the guys in the front row were dead. Usually TNA fans are very excited!
Posted By: Spike (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 02:30 AM
A lot of people just like to bitch about TNA. The PPV was a great show. I liked the MMA start to the main event, and though the ages-long figure four could have been cut down, I didn't have any other complaints about it at all.
Great show, and the haters look ridiculous crying about it. The WWE has put on worse PPV in the last year, that's for sure.
Posted By: Rod Oracheski (Registered) on April 14, 2008 at 02:30 AM
A fair effort from TNA. No matter what you think of TNA you should give them some credit for not restricting their wrestlers on what moves they are allowed to perform out there on PPV's. Yeah, some matches still suck and the booking isn't always great, but at least they let their guys and gals perform at their best level if you choose to (and most do).
WWE defenders can say all they want about "Well, WWE matches tell stories so toned down movesets are cool", but bottom line is there are better ways to "tell a story" and have psychology than the cookie cutter style most WWE matches follow. Landing someone with a suplex, etc with the emphasis of the fall on the body part that is being worked over is as effective, and more eyeappeasing to watch than a armbar and kicks to the arm. ROH and TNA know that a bit better than WWE these days which is kind of sad since WWE have a damn good roster. To their credit, WWE still have good matches at times, but there are too many that could have been a lot better. In TNA also, though at least their guys aren't held back.
Posted By: Unknown1 (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 02:48 AM
Please, please, please keep the swerves away from the championship picture now! I hope even the swerve-junkie bookers realize that pulling some SHENANIGANS to take the strap from Joe is going to backfire on the in an EPIC way.
It was at least two years too late, but finally... finally the best worker in TNA holds the strap.
Posted By: woody (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 03:14 AM
My question is: why work MMA when a)it's available as a legit shootfightiing, and thus more dramatic and believable, form, and b)pro wrestling's worked style suits the storyline-oriented world of US wrestling. What's to be gained by faking something that's already done for real on a national scale? Pro-wrestling HAS to be faked - it's physically impossible to put on a show like, say, the Lethal Lockdown match and have it be a shoot. But why bother with the MMA stuff? It's not what most paid wrestling audiences want to see, and it's always going to be one notch beneath the actual, non-worked MMA. Joe and Angle are two of the best wrestlers in the world. Where was the harm in letting them go out and work a classic worked pro-wrestling match?
Posted By: Ian (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 03:26 AM
Talk about a shocking swerve! Sonjay Dutt helped his friend Jay Lethal win a match, then DIDN'T turn on him! I totally didn't see that one coming. Nice job, TNA.
Posted By: saneiac (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 03:27 AM
"The Xscape match saw Sonjay Dutt eliminated first. This was right
after Jay and Sonjay were pulling off some pretty impressive tag team spots."
Don't forget that Dutt was eliminated immediately after saving Lethal from a pin, and looked upset that Lethal wasn't there to save him. That could be setting up the eventual turn.
After all, the Savage/Hogan Mega Powers team didn't break down until Hogan wasn't there for Savage during their match against the Twin Towers.
Dutt as Hogan? He better work on the leg drop.
Posted By: Rod Oracheski (Registered) on April 14, 2008 at 04:44 AM
I find it funny how the TNA haters are probably the ame people that hate the IWC complaining about WWE. You guys want TNA to be an alternative, and when they do something different, you go all "GRR YOU GOT UR MMA IN MAH WRASSLIN'"And Ian, professional wrestling is 'fake' amateur wrestling with added bells and whistles.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 07:16 AM
>> If TNA plays it smart
Don't hold your breath.
Posted By: Guest (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 07:22 AM
I was there in Lowell. Before the event started, Dixie Carter walked around the arena and took pictures with the fans. One thing that was cool that probably didn't get noticed on TV was when Kurt put on the figure 4, in my section there was a huge Thank You Ric chant! Oh by the way, So Cal Val looks really good in person!
Posted By: The Main Event (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 08:32 AM
I don't like Samoa Joe, or Kurt Angle, but the match sounds good. I haven't seen it yet, but it seems like there was an intensity to it that should be there for a World Championship match. I think anybody would rather see the match end the way it did, rather than having it end with Karen Angle interfering or something.
Posted By: Marty (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 08:32 AM
My only complaint is what that other guy said: the matches seemed to end abruptly.
But am I the only one what thought the Saeeeeeed/Kong v Kim/ODB match was awesome? Seriously.
Angle/Joe was terrific. The figure four could've lasted 2 minutes instead of 8, but otherwise, it was an intense competition. I don't know, they actuallyl ooked tired after it was over. Seemed believable to me. I dug it.
Posted By: kingphatcow (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 08:33 AM
Samoa Joe vs Angle at Lockdown = Worst TNA Match ever. That's my opinion.
Posted By: Burt Price (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 08:44 AM
You TNA haters amaze me. You complain about smarks finding stuff from WWE to complain about and how they're never satisfied, but you're doing the same thing here. You criticize TNA for not being an alternativeh and when they finally do something different, you go all "GRR U GOT UR MMA IN MAH RASSLIN'!". Jesus Christ.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 08:58 AM
I liked the Angle/ Joe match, looks like we are going to see Angle jump to a MMA fight setup soon
Posted By: buzzard (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 09:17 AM
the whole mma spin on the main event was laughable and it really made a mockery of the "importance" of the match. i'm glad joe finally has his time to shine as the champ, and i feel the match really picked up at the end. in my honest opinion the match suffered from the same problem this whole ppv did...it never actually felt like a ppv. even with two of the best in the world fighting over the companies world championship it was just hard to give a shit about. this felt like a 3 hour episode of impact.
Posted By: hellboysetsfire (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 09:37 AM
the whole mma spin on the main event was laughable and it really made a mockery of the "importance" of the match. i'm glad joe finally has his time to shine as the champ, and i feel the match really picked up at the end. in my honest opinion the match suffered from the same problem this whole ppv did...it never actually felt like a ppv. even with two of the best in the world fighting over the companies world championship it was just hard to give a shit about. this felt like a 3 hour episode of impact.
Posted By: hellboysetsfire (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 09:42 AM
As an avid pro wrestling fan, and an indy wrestling promoter, I completely enjoyed the TNA pay per view-I've booked Samoa Joe on one of my shows before and he is a complete professional and actually sat down with me for over 2 hours after the show to give me some insight on how to run a successful indy event.
This TNA card was great from top to bottom, which was the opposite of what I could say about WM24. Both World Title matches at Wrestlemania were typical "cookie-cutter" matches, and didn't bring anything near what Joe and Angle brought to the game last night.
Good work TNA, let's keep up the great booking, and great WRESTLING.
Posted By: Dave (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 10:02 AM
I hate kurt angle and his ideas. but i have to admit that the mma thing wasn't that bad, it helped the look and feel of the match. In my mind it gave the match much more of a real feel.
And thank god it went to a clean finish. If karen angle ran down that ramp I was ready to turn the ppv off.
Posted By: pdiggins (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Well it's about time TNA, Finally you put the belt on the RIGHT guy. Just wish it wasn't two YEARS after the fact. Hopefully this will stop the Total Nonstop Angle stuff.
Posted By: Mac (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 10:36 AM
I never understood the draw of Joe. I mean, reading these comments, I picture about 50 guys here having to clean white drippings from their pants right now.
Joe's ok. I don't hate him or anything. But I never saw the draw.
Posted By: David (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 10:42 AM
JJ - comparing pro wrestling to amateur is like saying Michael Bay's TRANSFORMERS is just a stageplay writ large. Please try and offer a little more thought than your tired "wrestling is just faked MMA anyway!" stuff - there's clearly a difference between the two.
Posted By: Ian (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 11:17 AM
truthslayer you are an absolute douchebag. I just watched your youtube "review" - HAHAHA!!! Look at the state of you, you pathetic little zit on the face of life. Can I ask why you think anybody would give a shit about your meaningless, uninteresting, generic smarky views? quit life, die.
Posted By: BB (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 11:31 AM
I'm sure you guys were eating up Taker-Angle from No Way Out '06. They did the MMA stuff even more than this match.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Why is it that every post that defends TNA also bashes TNA? You people aren't even true fans of TNA you are just WWE haters. The majority of the people who had problems with last night's show didn't even mention WWE, yet all the posts defending it said that all the people complaining were "WWE lovers"
Posted By: guest (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Enough of the name calling! Everyone has a right to their own opinion.
Personally, I liked the PPV. At the beginning of the Joe/Angle match I was not sure about the MMA style, but in the end it worked great.
Posted By: BrianA (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:14 PM
I liked this show, best PPV of the year so far.
WrestleMania had a good main event, a damn good Flair and Shawn match, and a
fun MITB match. But that is it really - the undercard and "special
attraction" wasn't that great. Likewise, Lockdown had some entertaining
undercard mixed in with some that wasn't. To top it off it had a damn good main
event and lethal lockdown match.
Not a big MMA fan, but that didn't stop me from liking Joe/Angle. It wasn't
bad, it was different, but still good and special.
Posted By: IHateTheWordSolid! (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:13 AM
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WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!
This was the first TNA PPV i paid for and it was simply terrible!!!!!!!!
If this was the beat PPV of the year i will never watch again!
4/10 at best!!
Posted By: steve0 (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:17 PM
All the haters can blow someone.
TNA is a GROWING company.
They are trying DIFFERENT things.
They are ENTERTAINING a lot of fans.
There is no argument that can be proven right or wrong as wrestling is subjective to the person watching it.
That's why everyone on here really needs to get a life - there won't be an enventual winner to these arguments because they are all based on opinions.
And we all know what opinions are like.
Either you liked it or you didn't that's all.
And for those saying "Finally, Joe get's the belt but it't too late" please go find a copy of Raven's second shoot for RF.
He makes some great points as to why people shouldn't be given belts too soon and why storylines should be developed.
Geez, Joe was a monster for 18 months, then was shown not to be invincible - and why? Because if he would have murdered Angle, where does it go from there?
The short sightedness of us "average" fans is laughable.
There are men that are paid a lot of money to do this, and if you were that great at booking you would be, but you're not, so please...
GET THE F OUT.
Posted By: For the fans (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 12:53 PM
meh Joe/Angle was the same astheir other matches just with more rolling around on the ground.
I hated it.
Posted By: Lil' Naitchanomix (Registered) on April 14, 2008 at 12:59 PM
I haven't seen a TNA PPV in about a year or so. I think the undercard wasn't anything special. With the exception of Kong and Sieed vs ODB and Gail Kim. Wargames was excellent which is why I bought the program. As far as Kurt vs Joe. I loved it. Two reasons why The match was well done and quite honestly your not going to see a match like that too often in the US. WWE would never go there. I hear constant complianing that TNA is too much like the WWE. With dumb stuff like Super Eric I agree. However there main even proves that there is at least some large alternitave in the TNA's Wrestling show
Posted By: Sherlock (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 01:08 PM
What in the fuck are people complaining about? The MMA shit was basically a replacement for the "feeling out period" in regular match. They started off with some MMA moves, broken up by the ropes each time, with no one coming out with an advantage. To me, all of that equals the feeling out process. Then, they slowly started getting into the wrestling match with the figure 4 and everything that followed.
I think they had a damn fine match once the wrestling really picked up. Joe going for the muscle buster and Angle countering into the ankle lock, Joe doing his powerbomb submission chain with Angle countering the crossface into an ankle lock, only to be countered back into a crossface, only to counter the crossface again into an ANGLE SLAM (WHAT THE FUCK?!! Great sequence in the match). The rest of the match had drama with Joe being in trouble constantly. Most importantly though, Joe got a clean win and looked like he really earned the belt. What the fuck more can you ask for? I bet the same people who are crying about this shit getting 4.5 did not utter a word when Finaly vs. JBL got 3 Stars at Mania ("but it was a fun little hardcore brawl".... no it was not, shut the fuck up).
I shit on TNA aaaaaaaalll the time. I can't shit on them about the main event for Lockdown tho. They finally gave the fans what they wanted (albeit 1 year too late) minus any shenanigans or russo antics. I guess people have to complain about something tho. People saying, "It was an MMA fight bro, I paid to see wrestling". Yea, and that's what you got. You got like 5-7 mins of MMA (which was pretty much done in a wrestling format) and then a good ass 10-12 minute WRESTLING match. No one would have said shit if the first 5-10 mins was all armbars and headlocks. Instead of hammerlocks and headlocks, we got takedowns and judo throws. SAME FUCKING SHIT. They did not pound the MMA concept that long. Plus, it kinda created a big fight feel; Something TNA cannot do well.
Complain. Complain. Complain.
Shitty PPV but please don't front like the last match was really 3 Stars and only because of generosity. Go watch that match again.
Posted By: Guest#3331 (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 01:10 PM
I say this as someone not familiar with TNA. It's funny. You would think there would be more TNA marks since they are like the cool alternative underdog like ECW back in the day. And WWE are the evil empire like Yankees/Cowboys/Notre Dame. People always like to root for the underdog. Who wants to mark for the billion dollar corporation?
Anyway, the PPV was good. Joe vs. Angle was different and probably the biggest match TNA ever had. Roxxi might be the most interesting woman wrestler today, including Japan. TNA has a very bright future if they tone down the Russo nonsense. That said, as cheesy as it is, Super Eric will sell merchandise.
Posted By: Steve (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 01:46 PM
I really enjoyed the Joe/Angle match! I just finished watching it on youtube and thought it was great. I don't know what a 5 star or 4 1/2 star match looks like but I was entertained by this match.
I find there is alot of close minded people on this cite. i see no reason to hate TNA or UFC if you are a WWE fan, or any combination of the 3 promotions. They all have something different to offer. I've been watching WWF/WWE for 20 years or more, it is my preferred show but I still watch and enjoy TNA and UFC.
I can honestly say that I will never buy a UFC ppv on my own, but with a bunch of friends, maybe. I was tempted to get the UFC with Lesnar but I'm glad I didn't. There is no gurantee that the match you are paying for is going to be very long. I like long matches. this doesn't mean UFC sucks or is boring. I watch it for the realism that you don't get with Pro Wrestling.
I watch pro wrestling for the storyline, the unreal, often cartoony action. to me, Pro wrestling is a fantasy that showcases what you would love to see just once in a real fight. it is sports entertainment in the full form of its description.
I get tired of the cartoony actions sometimes. I mean who has every, once, seen in a real fight where each fighter trades punches one at a time (in sucession) and just takes his opponent's offense without defending. it is one of many things you have to accpet to be a pro wrestling fan.
Coming back to Joe/Angle match. it was a refreshing change to see a pro wrestling match styled on MMA to a certain degree. I think it had the best of both worlds. The punches didn't look fake, you didn't see any fanthom punches that knocked anyone back or down.
my only issue with the match would be that we have seen all those reversals in Angle matches before, they are still entertaining but it would be nice to see different reversals.
It will be interesting to see if TNA can continue to use this style. it would trully be an alternative to WWE and I would want to watch TNA more. Perhaps I'd buy a TNA ppv and not go to youtube.
Posted By: wwe, tna and ufc fan (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 03:15 PM
"Last night's edition of TNA Impact scored a 1.1 cable rating.
Credit: Wrestlingobserver.com"
Expect to see that this weekend
Posted By: natedoggcata (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 04:19 PM
lousy PPV good Main Event
Posted By: Guest#8861 (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 05:38 PM
All this bickering really makes me want to watch the Joe/Angle match even more. Curiousity's a bitch, but not as much as an empty bank account.
Posted By: G-Walla (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 05:42 PM
Having now watched the joe/angle match a few times on youtube, here's my thoughts....
AWESOME match! The early worked-MMA stuff was very well done and, whilst slow, served very well as the traditional feeling out period. Then it started to pick up more & more and by the end it was pure gold. Anybody slating this match needs to go back & watch it again - just look at some of the counters (ankle lock to the choke; crossface to angle slam?!!) and general awesomeness that went down. Kurt using the ref to reach the ropes, Joe screaming in pain but refusing to tap - I think it told the story perfectly of Joe the monster, who wants the title so bad he'll put his career on the line, and Kurt the wrestling machine who will do anything to keep the belt.
Also, did anybody notice when Joe hit that outrageous powerbomb Kurt looked genuinely KO'd? If you watch he doesn't kick out of the pin, rather Joe kicks him out for him and transitions to that sweet boston crab lock submission, almost as if he is buying time for Kurt to recover - gotta give props to them both for this match. I think it deserves **** at least. Either way though, forget the obsession with star ratings and just admire a solid main event, with a clean finish and no ref bumps, run-ins or russoriffic swerves.
For those who want to see the match on youtube, here's the links (can't say how long these vids will last - good old copyright infringement lol):
part 1 of 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUViCLl0xgA
part 2 of 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQKJ-Ye4C5Q
part 3 of 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwPO-p2mKEo
Posted By: Killah (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 06:07 PM
JOE KILLS BITCHES DEAD! ABOUT MOTHERFUCKING TIME!
Posted By: Guest#0910 (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 06:31 PM
OHhh GAWDD...LEAVE TNA ALONE!!!!
*Has a complete bitch fit of epic preportions*
Posted By: tnamark (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 06:34 PM
Ok, I haven't seen Joe vs Angle, but from what I'm hearing, a lot of you seem upset about Csonka's high rating. I think this all has to do with the fans of this day and time. All the takedowns and mat wrestling is like an agressive traditional style. I think fans today want the fast-paced back and forth instead of a methodical, strategic match- which is what this match sounds like. So its really the traditional fan vs the new world fan. Just like when people say the ironman match between HBK and Hart at WM12 was boring. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!? Times have changed though. I think this match and the reaction its received has shown us just how much.
Posted By: Susan (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 06:38 PM
joe - angle bored me. i was looking forward to the joe title win, but after the muscle buster i thought: that was it? kinda sad.
with that out of the way...
ROXXI RULES THE FUGGIN WORLD!
Posted By: tully (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 07:16 PM
Tna's overall wrestling is ten times better than Wwe's. A TRUE fan of WRESTLING would have thought the joe-angle match was gr8. It started off slow but the reversals in this match were sick. Everyone is so used to Entertainment in matches to where they forget about true wrestling. If nobody runs in, or no chairs or anything are in the match, or their are no high-flyers, people think the match sucked. Right now,the wwe couldn't DREAM of putting together a ppv based on gr8 wrestling from the 1st match to the last. The only thing that matters in the wwe are the heavyweight titles, nothing else, joe's title reign is long overdue but he has it now, and he is the leader of the WRESTLING alternative to wwe
Posted By: cj (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 08:12 PM
I think Killah summed up my thoughts perfectly.
Posted By: Jackson (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 08:52 PM
God Bless That Fat Samoan. They Blew The Roof Off That Joint.b They Had To Deliver And Thank God They Did.
Posted By: ants84 (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 09:11 PM
Sorry Truth Slayer the title matches were not great at WM they were both good solid bouts not great matches sorry.
Posted By: Truthslay you're kidding (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 09:18 PM
Its ok these same marks complaining about the MMA stuff loved the punch and kick fest tha6 was Edge-Taker was mostly and oh the 3 moves at the end.
By the way geniuses yeah I wouldn't have thought there was going to be MMA when all they have been doing is hyping their MMA training. Go watch Khali-Big show, and oh Festus-UT good grief shut up.
Posted By: LMAO at WWE marks (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 09:22 PM
Why are people complaining about the MMA stuff in the first place even though they were only doing the MMA stuff for 5 minutes, built to the pro wrestling stuff for the next 3 or 4 minutes, and spent the rest of the match wrestling and capitalizing on the preliminary stuff. The MMA was basically a replacement for the ususal feeling out process, that's it.
Posted By: JJ (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 09:25 PM
WWE marks still live in the early part of this decade and probably think WWE is bigger then UFC while TNA tonight went out and did something different and thats popular right now. WWE marks are living in the past and celebrate punch and kick fests and while there aren't that many TNA fans I enjoy at least they try to make a change in their style. The co mains were very good and I must agree saved the show from being bad the undercard was decent nothing spectacular even though the cuffed in the cage match could have been a lot worse and was saved by the high spots.
Posted By: Heres the truth (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 09:28 PM
I'm sorry to some of you whiners on here that was a great match the mat work was fun and entertaining and actual wrestling mixed in there by the way and with guys who can go like that it shows something.
Posted By: Paul E (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 09:32 PM
2 things about the show (which I thought was pretty good and worth the $30):
1 - did anyone find it weird to have a face win every match? Just an observation. Not a complaint as I liked the minimal outside interference and swerves, but just thought it strange that faces all won.
2- Like the show or not gang, 137+ comments less than 24 hours after the event - at least they got ya'll talking. Thats gotta be counting for something.
Posted By: Austin Brian (Guest) on April 14, 2008 at 10:43 PM
All these people that are complaining about the Samoa Joe vs Kurt Angle match because it had "too much MMA" in it need to think about the definitions of the words they are using before writing. There was no MMA in it. MMA is shootfighting and there was no shooting in that match; it was all a work. What they're trying to say but lack the vocabulary to or simply haven't put the thought into it is that for them the match looked too real. People who liked the match like wrestling to be believable. People who didn't like it just want to see acrobatics, cartoonish stunts, and whatever else they've been brainswashed into believing professional wrestling is supposed to be. Pro wrestling is supposed to look like a real contest. In his autobiography, former NWA Heavyweight Champion Jack Brisco wrote "Believability is the coin of the realm in wrestling."
What all this arguing over there being "too much MMA" in the Angle/Joe match comes down to is that for some people it resembled a real contest too closely.
The criticism about pro wrestling always used to be that it didn't look real enough. I never thought I'd see the day when I'd see kids on the internet whining that a match looked too much like a real fight!
Posted By: Kenny (Guest) on April 16, 2008 at 12:49 AM
