The Impact Crater 05.01.08
Posted by Ryan Byers on 05.04.2008
I am at last free of this wretched show.
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to what in all likelihood will be the final edition of the Impact Crater. I'm Ryan Byers, and I'm leaving this website. Details can be found in my Sunday news report for May 4. I have yet to receive word on who will be taking over the Impact review slot from me. If for some reason that has not been finalized by this coming Thursday, I'll keep running with the column until such a time that a replacement has been found. However, I have a feeling that somebody will have stepped up by that point, in which case I will be bidding you all adieu.
With that said, let's head to Impact for May 1.
Quick & Dirty Results for May 1
Segment #1: The Murder City Machine Guns NC (Shark) Boys II (Curry) Men
Segment #2: Talia Madison/Angel Williams/Gail Kim/ODB Interview Segment
Segment #3: LAX def. Frankie Kazarian & Eric Young in a Deuces Wild Tag Team Tournament Match
Segment #4: LAX/Hector Guerrero Interview Segment
Segment #5: ODB & Gail Kim def. Angel Williams & Talia Madison in what was sadly not a Deuces Wild Tag Team Tournament Match
Segment #6: Eric Young & AJ Styles def. Jimmy Rave & Lance Hoyt in a Deuces Wild Tag Team Tournament Match
Segment #7: Cheerleader Melissa def. Daizee Haze
Segment #8: Samoa Joe & Kurt Angle def. Scott Steiner & Petey Williams
Segment #9: Jim Cornette announced the singles wrestlers competing in the Dueces Wild Tag Team Tournament
The Main Stuff
Angle Numero Uno: Wasn't the "Egotistical Eight" a Group of Spider-Man Villains?
The primary focus of this evening's show was the continued development of Deuces Wild, as we now know the identity of all of the individuals who will be participating in the tournament on the pay per view, both in terms of the eight singles wrestlers who will be thrown together in to wacky duos at random and the four "established" teams. I'd say that the field is a mixed bag, with some interesting combinations and some individuals who have no place in the tournament whatsoever. Let's take a look at each team/wrestler in succession, shall we?
AJ Styles & Eric Young
Errr . . . wait a second . . . weren't the tag teams involved in the initial phase of the tournament supposed to be established? If that's the case, why are Styles and Young, a duo that has never teamed before, in the opening bracket? Yes, in storyline terms, the idea was for Styles and Travis Tomko to be participating, only for Tomko to wind up "injured." However, I have a hard time understanding the company's rationale in taking a brand new tournament which they're trying to get over for the first time and playing fast and loose with the rules. That's the sort of thing which is fine on your third or fourth outing with a particular concept, but, the first couple of times that something like this tournament happens, you're much better suited to play it straight so that viewers have an opportunity to get a decent grasp on the concept before you start tinkering with it. With Tomko unavailable, it would have been a better move to scrap team AJ altogether and run with a different unit. Hell, Shark Boy and Curry Man were readily available.
Christian & Rhino
Again, I could have sworn that the first round of the tournament was supposed to have consisted of established teams. Though they've got both a storyline history and a real life history with one another, Rhino and Christian hardly count as established in the tag team ranks of any wrestling promotion. By my count, they had all of one match together in TNA prior to the beginning of this tournament, and I can't even recall them teaming together once in the WWF. (At least as a two man team . . . I'm sure they were involved in some six man tags with Edge at some point.) Again, you can't play this fast and loose with your rules the first time out if you want fans to take those rules seriously.
LAX
Okay, fine, I can deal with LAX in this sort of tournament, even though I have a feeling they'll just wind up as fodder for one of the "non-established" teams in the next round. However, the Hector Guerrero stuff after their match this past Thursday night really made me uncomfortable. It's bad enough that we had to watch over a year of WWE doing Eddy Guerrero-based storylines. Now TNA has the guy's older brother out there doing a bad Eddy impression while LAX hypes him up as some kind of surrogate Latino Heat. (And, before anybody starts the "He's Eddy's brother! Of course he's going to sound like him argument!" go back and watch some old Hector Guerrero promos from his days as a wrestler. He most definitely did not sound like that.) The whole thing reeks of trying to take advantage of the love that wrestling fans have for a deceased competitor, and it's disgusting. At least when WWE did it, the angle was somewhat timely. TNA's version isn't just in bad taste. It's in bad taste AND a knockoff of something that we've all seen before.
The Dudley Boys
It's a tag team tournament in TNA. You knew that these two had to be involved. As such, I don't have much to say about their inclusion, positive or a negative.
Billy Gunn & The Road Dogg
I'm lumping these two together not necessarily because they'll be on a team but rather because I don't have anything to say about one that I don't have to say about the other. Chances seem good that, even though the matches are supposed to be "randomly" selected, the former New Age Outlaws will wind up as either partners or opponents. I honestly would not have a problem with this if it were a year or even six months after their breakup, because at least then their involvement in the tournament wouldn't seem like such a desperate attempt to shoehorn the breakup feud on to TV in a month where there otherwise probably wouldn't be time for it.
James Storm & Bobby Roode
Again, I'm talking about these men together because I don't have much to say about one independently of the other. A month or two ago, I noted in this very column that Storm and Roode seem to team together all the time with nobody ever acknowledging it. Of course, it wasn't acknowledged because it in all likelihood wasn't by design. However, at least once a month, they'd wind up on the same side of the ring when the company decided to do the "let's cram two midcard singles feuds in to one midcard tag team match" gimmick. Funnier still is the fact that they seemed to win 90% of their matches, although they never got the title shot that would result from any other team having such an impressive record. Despite all of this, they were left out of the "established teams" bracket while Christian & Rhino and Eric Young & AJ Styles were perfectly acceptable entrants in that portion of the tournament. LAME.
Booker T.
Using Booker in this capacity makes sense. He's a fairly popular singles wrestler who, given that his feud with Bobby Roode just wrapped up, has nothing better to do. Since I'm talking about the Book, though, I may as well point out his idiotic comments about AJ Styles on this week's show, in which he made the Phenomenal One look like a geek by mistaking him for a fan. That's the very definition of burying (proper spelling rocks) a guy . . . and even worse is the fact that he buried the TNA Title by claiming that he had no clue who Styles was after AJ mentioned that he'd been champion on several occasions. Yes, folks, the TNA Title is so insignificant that you wouldn't recognize a former champion if you weren't employed by the company at the time of his reign. You heard it here first. In fact, you heard it from TNA themselves.
Sting
I can't believe that they've got Sting crammed in to a huge cluster like this. He's making significantly more money than just about everybody else on the roster, he busts his ass in the ring, and he's insanely over. If this is the case, why cheapen him by treating him like a midcard guy in a midcard angle? I know that some folks wouldn't be happy if the Stinger were just sitting at home on his butt while cashing big paychecks, but, let's face it . . . Sting's value at this point in his career isn't appearing on television week in and week out. He needs to fly in for a month's worth of TV building up one huge singles match, wrestle his singles match, and then get the hell out of dodge for the next three or four months. Using him as a special attraction could pop some PPV numbers and therefore justify has high salary. Using him like every other wrestler in the promotion will get the fans to react to him like every other wrestler in the promotion, and that typical reaction does not including paying to see him wrestle.
Matt Morgan
Eh. Like Booker, Morgan is at a point where he has nothing better to do. The only possible problem with putting him in to this sort of tournament is that the company is apparently trying to build him in to a major star despite the fact that he'll probably have to lose somewhere in here. However, even that isn't too bad when you consider the fact that there are all kinds of excuses built in to this tournament which could negate the damage of a loss, preferably Morgan either walking out on his randomly selected partner or disagreeing with him in such a way that said partner eats a pinfall.
Amazing Kong
And here we have it . . . the big "surprise" of the tournament, as the Amazing Kong finally crosses the line (teehee) and starts wrestling men. Frankly, I doubt this will work. Don't get me wrong, I love what Kong does in the ring and have for quite a while. However, the vast majority of her schtick is based on going in there and absolutely steamrolling smaller opponents. She's not going to be able to display the same kind of dominance she displayed over Gail Kim or Daizee Haze against Billy Gunn or Matt Morgan . . . at least not in any sort of believable manner. Thus, what the company needs to do is keep her in there against smaller guys who she can realistically beat the piss out of (James Storm and Christian come to mind) and eliminate her team early so that she's not put in to a position where she has to look weak against one of the bigger men on the roster. Looking weak in the men's division would certainly kill a lot of her mystique, which could in turn cripple the women's division. Given how fun that title picture has been for the majority of its existence, I'd appreciate it if that didn't happen.
Angle Numero Dos: Speaking of the Women's Division . . .
In my review of last week's show, I mentioned that I wasn't the biggest fan in the world of the "concept match" involving the women's division being presented on the upcoming Sacrifice pay per view. However, with a couple of exceptions, I have to say that the buildup they did for the match on tonight's episode was pretty fun.
It all began with an in-ring promo from Angel Williams and Talia Madison . . . or, more specifically, a promo from Angel Williams which was conducted while Talia Madison stood in the background. The segment actually got a fair amount of time, and, perhaps even more surprising, was the fact that it was GOOD. I'd never heard Williams talk for more than twenty seconds at a time, and it already appears that she's better on the mic than 80% of the women to ever set foot in professional wrestling. Madison and Williams wound up wrestling Gail Kim and ODB in tag team action, and, once again, the match was better than I expected. Since they came to TNA, Talia has looked outright awful, and Williams looked far worse than her reputation and training would have lead me to believe. Tonight, though, they were much better than they have been in the past. Madison still needs some work, but Williams was solid to the point that I now want to see her more frequently in singles matches.
I only had two relatively small issues with the women's segments this evening. First of all, during the course of their promo, the heel girls displayed photoshopped pictures of Gail Kim and ODB sans hair. (Prompting Don West to say that he didn't know they were that good with the "computers and cameras and things" . . . so apparently the storyline is that Madison and Williams actually photoshopped these pictures themselves instead of just hiring somebody to do it. Now there's a gimmick that wrestling needs: Sexy female computer tech junkies.) WWE has done something similar a few times in the past with hair matches, and it drives me nuts. Half of the appeal of a hair match is supposed to be tuning in to see exactly what the losing wrestler will look like bald. If you show fans the big payoff in advance, they'll be less likely to tune in for the match itself.
Also, we got a classic TNA moment after the match, as Gail Kim, ODB, and Roxxi LaVeaux all teamed up to smack around one of the heels. Yes, faces triple-teaming heels. That'll get some big cheers from the crowd.
Angle Numero Tres: Main Event?
Oh, did you know that there's a TNA Title match at the next pay per view? I've heard some rumors to that effect, but I didn't see much on this episode of Impact which would lead me to believe that such a match was taking place. I believe there was a tag team main event involving the three guys wrestling in that match and some other jobber, but nothing particularly exciting happened there. Oh well, at least we've got Deuces Wild!
And the Rest . . .
~ So the company wants to make Matt Morgan in to a major star and his first feud en route to this goal is with BILLY GUNN?! There are probably five or six fans in the Impact Zone who could make for a more entertaining rival.
~ The Terrordome is coming. Depending on how many wrestlers they cram in to it, this actually sounds like one of TNA's less idiotic gimmick matches. However, it would have been nice if they could come up with a name that made it sound like something other than a kiddie ride at Disneyworld.
~ Speaking of Billy Gunn, I'm pretty sure that he was wearing women's sunglasses tonight.
~ No austin arte this week. austin had to go. His home planet needed him. (austin died on the way back to his home planet.)
Overall
Well, at least I'm not going out on an episode that was atypical of the show's quality during my run on the site. This was bad. Really, horrifically bad. There was some decent in-ring stuff here and there, but the fact of the matter remains that this is a promotion which has no grasp on what has historically made professional wrestling companies in to juggernauts. Every time that a promotion has done anything other than average business, it's been a result of taking talented wrestlers, allowing them to develop compelling characters, and placing those characters in to storylines that speak to the modern audience. In the time that I've watched and reviewed it, TNA has never once even come close to attempting this. Instead, the focus has been taken away from the wrestlers in just about every way conceivable, instead going to wacky gimmick matches, tournaments with rules that take ten minutes to explain, and lame gimmicks that knock off twenty year old WWE wrestlers. TNA has the talent necessary to produce an awesome product. TNA has the television exposure with which to make that hypothetical awesome product mainstream. TNA has all of the tools necessary to be one of the most entertaining wrestling promotions in history. They just need to start using those tools according to the time-tested formulas that have always worked in this business.
When that happens, somebody please give me a call. Until then, I'm (finally) turning off Impact.
what the hell, they hyped the main event for the entire episode. Maybe you're
not used to seeing Kurt Angle NOT hog all the tv time. Scott Steiner cut a
whole mathematical promo on his chances of winning. It wasn't as much build as
last week but they have a week to sell the match and they definately kept it on
the radar. You said nothing about how Samoa Joe saved Kurt Angle in the
beginning of the show and then eventually took everyone (including Kurt Angle)
out. Guess you wanted to please the haters with a decent sendoff. good luck
my friend in all that your future holds.
Posted By: bighustle (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 02:47 AM
Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, you're free at last!
Posted By: Ryushinku (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 02:59 AM
I, for one, enjoyed your Crater's.
Posted By: Ryan (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 03:01 AM
Goodbye and good riddance.
Posted By: whocares? (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 03:14 AM
Nice Simpsons reference at the end! I wish you well in your future endeavors.
Posted By: mathdude (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 07:01 AM
It is a pity that you have to go Ryan, I can only say thank you for such great
recaps, it kept My interest in the product known as T.N.A. even if the show
itself did not. You wit and humour on the subject shall be sorely missed.
Thanks for all the laughs. Now go and reclaim your sanity, because you will
never get those brain cells back that have been killed from having to think on
thier product for so long.
Posted By: SoulStealer (Registered) on May 04, 2008 at 07:36 AM
good luck with everything. Your reports have been some of the most consistently
monotonous and repetitive content on 411.
Posted By: lexi (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 08:05 AM
If you loathe the show so much that you can't find anything good to say about
it, even when there's plenty to say, then it's best that you move on.
Angle has gone back to being ANGLE, which is what the IWC has allegedly
wanted.
Booker T and AJ Styles both showed some character development this week, each
edging towards a heel/face turn.
Tomko's replacement is due to him being suspended by the company. I know we all
know what WE would do on the fly as bookers, but we're not the ones dealing with
grown mens drawing paychecks for wrestling every week and dealing with their
egos. It's a lot more complicated than just saying "You're going to
wrestle this guy and you're jobbing!"
Matt Morgan is feuding with Kip James. And people will complain. Guess what? If
Matt Morgan had immediately been thrown in with Angle or Christian or Joe,
everybody would complain about him being thrown right into the main event.
Can't have it both ways.
LAX's push resumes. Good.
Women's action tonight? Good. You don't like getting the "payoff" of
fake bald pictures for the women? I'm pretty sure nobody is tuning in with
hopes of seeing the faces get their heads shaved. Oh, and a three on one attack
on a heel? It's called "getting revenge". But you're probably right,
who REALLY wants to see a face get the best of a heel, ever?
And if you didn't think that Scott Steiner thing was the funniest thing in
wrestling....pretty much ever? Well, your funny bone needs some work.
Go do something you enjoy. We'll all be better off.
Posted By: For the best. (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 08:42 AM
"good luck with everything. Your reports have been some of the most
consistently
monotonous and repetitive content on 411."
If you replace 411 with TV, then you could say the same thing about TNA.
Good luck Byers. Old chum.
Posted By: Jimmy (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 08:43 AM
You forgot to mention that Spike TV has had to repeatedly warn TNA about man on
woman violence in their shows. I think there won't be any problem having Kong
wrestle men on PPV, but it'll never happen on iMPACT!.
Posted By: Guest#8905 (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 08:48 AM
been visiting this site regularly for a few years, and the crater has been, by
far, my favorite feature. i'm going to miss it.
thanks, byers. good luck.
Posted By: hornswoggle fan (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 08:53 AM
I will say it now.
The tournament will come down to AJ/Super Eric vs Kaz/Eric...
Posted By: Travis (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 09:29 AM
Goodbye, you silly lady.
Posted By: Hitman (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 09:43 AM
yeah so am i alone here when i mention the best part of this impact was
everything concerning angelina and velvet? because theyre the best act in tna
at the moment.
Posted By: smarky mark (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 10:07 AM
I like this column, but how come it's not published the day after TNA airs, like
most review columns are.
As for your comments on Awesome Kong, I think the only thing that makes her
look a little weaker is her height, she weighs as much as the males and can
wrestle as good as them, I think her appearance in this competition, if the
5"10, 215 lbs AJ can hold the belt like a true champ , then so can Kong
I'm loving the fact that Kurt Angle isn't on my TV for most of the show
Posted By: Mick420 (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 10:08 AM
I sincerely hope you don't fail at life as much as you do with this column.
Posted By: Pwnage (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 10:30 AM
I greatly enjoyed your Impact reviews. Although I don't really like
over-analyzing wrestling shows (such as getting nitpicky with giving away the
payoff to the bald women),a lot of the things TNA does with Impact are
ridiculous and deserve to be criticized. It isn't like you're a WWE fanboy,
either. You're not, for example, defending [the ridiculous] storyline of
Hornswaggle being Mr. McMahon's son, which ultimately didn't really help anyone
get over, and then getting pissy about Booker for burying Styles (also
ridiculous of Book). There is just too much wrong with TNA to not criticize it
heavily every week.
I think its clear why you do it, and I completely agree-there's so much
freaking potential for a sick product in TNA that it pains you to see it
suffer.
Posted By: Chris (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Another old schooler departs.
Carry on my wayward son, and thanks for the memories
Posted By: 2J Slackalishous (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 12:33 PM
re: "For the best."
That is the smartest thing I have heard in a long time. Someone here speaks the
truth.
Posted By: MikeCov (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 01:50 PM
I'm gonna miss this unique column. Anyone can do a simple and boring
play-by-play review with a couple of opinions thrown in. There's tons of those
all over the net. Heck, there's tons of those even on this website. I was
actually kinda hoping you'd at least tackle the WWE even for a week in your
unique way. I'm gonna miss you.
The only thing I won't miss, no more Austin.
Posted By: JLAJRC (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 02:27 PM
big shock Ryan seemed to have again not really have watched the show and not
paying attention to any TNA related news. Yeah I'm really going to miss his
half assed reports that only got any love because he was ripping TNA which
anyone can do. Sorry Ryan I called you out on it a few months ago and now am
just waiting for someone who actually can watch the show and not ask questions
that make anyone wonder what show they were really watching.
Posted By: paul (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 03:12 PM
TNA was so damn better years ago. I hate to sound so damn repetitive but before
Russo it was actually great AND not to mention when he came in, stuff was good
but then BOOM it just died.
Where is the X Division we all so adored? The one that headlined PPVS? Where is
the face-smart AJ Styles his heel run makes him look retarted!? The gimmicks are
stupid and the show has so much star power yet they STILL can't book a decent
show?
Posted By: Adrian (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 04:41 PM
Rhino and Christian have teamed against AMW and Team Canada in the past, but
thats it.
Posted By: Tapp (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 04:58 PM
I don't get why the have a guy who obivously hates IMPACT! do reviews. IMPACT
was good but i guess smarks can't enjoy a show.
Posted By: DP (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 05:47 PM
Well, I'll definitely miss your columns on 411 Ryan. You've been one of the best
columnists on this website.
I remember the old days on the Crossfire message board and you were one of the
most razor sharp dudes then as you were on 411. It's been a long time since
"Tolonoguy" was one of the more prolific posters on that board. Good
times. I dunno what's next but well wishes on whatever you're working on.
Posted By: JT (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 07:26 PM
"Every time that a promotion has done anything other than average business,
it's been a result of taking talented wrestlers, allowing them to develop
compelling characters, and placing those characters in to storylines that speak
to the modern audience. In the time that I've watched and reviewed it, TNA has
never once even come close to attempting this."
Rhino and Christian friendship/hatred
Kurt Angle vs Samoa Joe
Kevin Nash and Samoa Joe relationship
Robert Roode vs Booker T
Matt Morgan
Kip James and BG James
How can you make a statement like that without even considering that storylines
like these have been good and catered to the IWC likes on some level. You're a
true piece of work. After reading that statement, I highly question your
credibility. Yes TNA does do some ridiculous shit, but to magnify that and not
acknowledge the good TNA has done is absolutely ludicrous and I tried to be nice
before, but that was just a parting low blow.
Good riddance to you, kid
Posted By: bighustle (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 07:56 PM
I love when the TNA marks come in here with ragins hard ons trying to defend
their precious promotion.
Posted By: natedoggcata (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 08:14 PM
Well you started out ok. After a while though it was obvious that you were in
over your head. It is a tough thing to write a collumn every week. I know from
personal experience from working on a college newspaper. Most of the time it
seems you just took the easy way out and bashed TNA ; Sometimes with merritt,
but often without. There are definite positives to TNA and iMPACT which most
often you seemed to neglect. That is the way it is though when you get stuck
in a rut and are doing something you don't like anymore. It becomes easier to
rehash a formula be it positive or negative that allows you to chug through as
quickly as possible. You should never do something that you really don't want
to do, so leaving this collumn is a good thing. A fresh perspective is often
just the ticket. I have to be honest, I only read your later reviews out of a
sort of morbid curiosity to see just how angry and jaded you would grow from
week to week. I would suggest to those of you so-called smarts stuck in the
negative state of mind, to do what I did a few years ago and take an extended
break from wrestling. Then when you come back to the product don't approach it
as though you were some kind of smart, approach it from a fans perspective.
Doing thins I can find enjoyment ins just about every wrestling program, be it
TNA, or one under the WWE umbrella. The only program I don't enjoy is ECW. To
mie it is a constant reminder of the old ECW and how this new incarnation will
never be on that same level. It is like looking at pictures of yourself when
you were younger, before you put on that extra 30 pounds and still had those
rock hard abs.
Posted By: Joe (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 08:48 PM
why spend so much time recapping something you profess to hate so much? it's not
like Csonka couldn't find another nameless writer to do it.
Posted By: JMASCORPIO (Guest) on May 05, 2008 at 08:21 AM
WOW, the last Impact Crater and TNA still hasn't figured things out, I guess
they never will... Goodbye Sir, I wish you all of the best!
Posted By: Kristi (Guest) on May 05, 2008 at 11:27 AM
in reference to:
"I will say it now.
The tournament will come down to AJ/Super Eric vs Kaz/Eric...
Posted By: Travis (Guest) on May 04, 2008 at 09:29 AM"
Is Jeff Jarrett close enough in physique to Eric Young to play Super Eric if
the matchup happens? Or does Eric/Super Eric keep ducking under the ring to
reimerge as the other persona?
Jarrett's return has been a long time coming.
Posted By: CK (Guest) on May 05, 2008 at 01:17 PM
Can't say I've read your TV report before so i have no opinion. I am curious
who's going to take over reviewing TNA? It's a cluster fuck but I wouldn't mind
doing it. Could be a good for a laugh or two..
Posted By: Methoes (Guest) on May 06, 2008 at 11:24 AM
thank od you are leaving. finally we will get less biased views against TNA, and
a more pro-TNA perspective of what is probably the greatest pro-wrestling
promotion in north american history. TNA!TNA!TNA!TNA!TNA!TNA!TNA!TNA!TNA!
Posted By: tna (Guest) on May 06, 2008 at 01:54 PM
I never knew why on earth 411 had you reviewing Impact to begin with. Sure it's
cool on the internet to hate on TNA, but at least review the show and stop
armchair booking everything.
You are one of the IWC who only likes a specificly booked show and if that show
doesn't meet your unique needs, you hate it. So I can't imagine you ever liking
what TNA or WWE book. So what's the point of reviewing it?
You bash TNA, WWE, and ROH because they don't listen to your odd suggestions
and put on the show in your head. That's actually bordering on mental
insanity.
You love SHIMMER, but fail to see it's two women rolling around on a mat for 20
minutes in front of maybe 200 horny middle aged creepy men. TNA at least is
trying to give these SHIMMER girls some gimmicks and characters so maybe they
can actually draw real money. Not that monopoly money Gabe uses in ROH and Dave
probably uses in SHIMMER.
So I am not sorry to see another jaded internet fan, who was never part of the
business even though you acted like you knew everything, leave. If we could
only get rid of the rest of the IWC, then maybe wrestling could be fun again.
Posted By: Steve (Guest) on May 08, 2008 at 02:22 AM