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411's WWE Raw Report 02.23.09
Posted by Rob McNew on 02.23.2009



-After last week's tremendous edition of Raw the road to Wrestlemania has been cleared up considerably. After Triple H's kayfabe breaking interview on Friday Night letting the cat out of the bag that he is in fact the husband of Raw GM Stephanie McMahon the build towards what will almost assuredly be a HHH-Orton main event at Wrestlemania continues tonight. Also we'll see if Chris Jericho is here to gloat about Mickey Rourke coming up short at last night's Oscars, and if there are any more legends around to confront him. Also JBL and Shawn Michaels square off in a rematch from No Way Out to determine who gets the honor of being victim number 17.

-Live from Sommet Center in Nashville, TN

-Hosted by Michael Cole & Jerry "The King" Lawler

-We start off with a recap of last week's street fight between Shane McMahon and Randy Orton that of course ended with Shane getting the punt and Steph getting the RKO. The WWE production staff does another bang up job of making this seem like the most epic moment in history, but in this case it truly deserved it.

-For the second week in a row we open with Smackdown General Manager Vickie Guerrero in the ring. EXCUSE ME! Vickie announces that due to the unfortunate incident involving the McMahon's last week she has been named the interim General Manager of Raw. Oh Sweet Jesus what the fuck did I do to deserve this? Vickie assures the fans that she will carry out the commitment and dedication for Raw that she does for Smackdown. She is thankfully interrupted by John Cena who says she needs to stop because this isn't right. Cena says everyone is looking for a job, but they hired her? He even gets a dig on Mike Adamle saying we could have called him or hired that loser Michael Cole. Cena says instead of excuse me we could have gotten great quotes like "Oh my, vintage Michael Cole." Tremendous! Cena says he would have made 100 other choices, but he congratulates her on being the GM. Cena asks her to have some pride in the product and not lie to the fans. Cena says she doesn't care about the McMahon's and doesn't care about the fans. He says all she cares about is Edge being World Champion. He reminds her that he does have a rematch clause and he's cashing it in tonight. That brings out Edge and Big Show, who asks if Cena thinks he can come out here and intimidate his wife to get what he wants? He even asks if he thinks he's Randy Orton. Edge says it's about time he felt intimidated. Cena says Edge doesn't need to make this more than it is, and says there is no reason this match doesn't need to make this more than it is. He asks Edge to stand up and be a man, because the match is going to happen. Edge says he doesn't answer to Cena, and says he feels sorry for him. He says Cena wants to be this generation's Sammartino, Hogan, or Austin. He wants to be that guy so bad, but it can't happen because Edge won't allow it to happen. Edge says its just too bad he happens to exist in the same era as him. Edge says he's smarter and tougher than anyone who has held the title before. Edge says as long as he is around Cena will never be what these people want him to be. Edge says Cena is the beacon of hope people cling to in these hard times, but Edge thinks he should hold off and stretch this out as long as he can. Because when they do have the rematch, and Edge beats him the fans will be left with absolutely nothing. Cena says it's a fine speech, but something tells him he thinks he got this courage because he's standing in the ring with a barbaric, disgusting, 400 pound, beast…and Big Show too. Edge tries to interrupt, but Cena stops and says he doesn't try to be something he's not. Edge is a champion, Cena's a former champion, Cena is one match away from being a future champion, and Vickie Guerrero as the new GM of Raw should step up and make this happen. Big Show steps in and says Cena needs to show some respect to the new GM. Cena says Show is the one guy who doesn't fit into this situation. He says Show was hired to take care of Vickie, but he didn't know Edge was so bad in the bedroom. Vickie clears things up by saying Edge is her family, and Show is her friend. Cena is neither. Vickie says tonight Cena will be in action tonight, and it will either be against her family or her friend. Cena says tonight he will either slay a Giant or be the new World Champion. Not as strong as last week's opening promo, but still strong from all involved. I'll take a wait and see approach on Vickie being GM of both shows.

Money in the Bank Qualifying Triple Threat Match: CM Punk vs. The Miz vs. John Morrison
Miz and Morrison surround Punk, but he is able to attack with kicks and rollup Miz with a small package. Morrison breaks that up and they begin to double team Punk. Double gutbuster connects, and they continue to pound Punk down. Miz whips Punk into the corner, but Punk leapfrogs a charging Miz. He quickly runs into a forearm from Morrison, which sends him back to the canvas. Miz charges the corner again and runs into a boot, then Morrison runs into a clothesline from Punk. Punk kicks Miz to the floor, and then Morrison connects with a clothesline sending both men to the floor as we head to break. Back from break and Morrison has a chinlock on Punk. We see Miz has been taken out on the floor with a clothesline from Punk and an inadvertent moonsault from Morrison. Punk fights out of the chinlock and connects with a dropkick. Hiptoss is followed by a pair of kicks and knees from Punk. Punk charges into the corner with a knee to Morrison, but Miz stops a bulldog attempt with a clothesline. Miz suplexes Punk, which gets two as Morrison, is out on the floor. Chinlock is locked in by Miz, but Punk quickly is able to fight out of that. Morrison comes back in and runs into a headlock from Punk. Punk takes out both with a rana to Miz while holding the headlock. Bulldog to Miz while delivering a clothesline to Morrison puts Punk firmly in control. Scoop slam to Morrison gets two for Punk as Miz breaks up the count. Miz charges into the corner and ends up with Punk on his shoulders. Morrison comes off the second rope with a springboard kick. Miz goes for the cover but Morrison breaks it up. Morrison himself goes for the cover, but also gets two. Then Miz rolls up Morrison getting two. Finally the tag champs begin to square off. Miz tries to suplex Morrison in from the apron, but Punk catches Morrison on the way inside with the GTS. He uses Morrison's feet to send Miz to the floor and then delivers the GTS to pick up the victory at 10:26. Another year without the Intercontinental Championship defended it Wrestlemania. Great match regardless.
Winner: CM Punk (Pinfall on Morrison-GTS ***)

-Triple H's interview with Jim Ross is replayed from Smackdown. Triple H was great here at selling the genuine emotion. Basically he admits that Vince is his father in law, and Shane is his brother in law, and of course Stephanie is his wife. Then he is too angered to continue and leaves. Ironic moment of the interview is that Trips mentions that Vince may not be liked by a lot of people, but he's a 63 year old man. Apparently smashing him in the back of the head with a sledgehammer was okay because he was only 61.

-Todd Grisham is outside Randy Orton's locker room. Dibiase and Rhodes stop by to give their thoughts. Cody says they don't like how this is be presented. He says that Orton didn't ask to fight Shane, Shane asked for that. Randy didn't ask to be confronted by Stephanie McMahon, she did that on her own. Rhodes says people should start taking responsibility for their own actions. Dibiase says that Randy Orton will address his actions when he is ready, as he will not be a prisoner on his own show. And if HHH, the last McMahon standing, decides to show up Dibiase and Rhodes will be ready.

-Santino is walking with Beth and Rosa. They bump into Dolph Ziggler who introduces himself to the trio. Hilarity ensues.

Six Person Mixed Tag: Melina & Cryme Tyme vs. Beth Phoenix, Santino Marella, & Dolph Ziggler
Ziggler, Santino, and Beth? Now that's a dream team. Melina starts the match with Beth. She quickly grabs a modified abdominal stretch, but Beth quickly powers out. Beth whips Melina into the corner and misses a kick charge and is hung up in the ropes. After a stand off Beth tags out to Ziggler. JTG tags in for the face team and gets a hip toss from Dolph. JTG answers with a few arm drags of his own, and comes out of the corner with his faceplant for two. Dolph comes right back grabbing the hair and driving JTG to the mat. Dolph offers a tag, but Santino short arms him and Ziggler says to hell with it and goes back to work. Ziggler locks in a headlock. JTG comes out of the headlock and meets a backdrop attempt with a drop and punch which allows him to make the hot tag to Shad. Three clotheslines followed by a flap jack meet Dolph. Finally Dolph is able to tag to Santino after scurrying away from the money money elbow drop attempt. Santino gets all psyched up in hilarious fashion and runs right into the Thugnificant, which finishes for the face team.
Winners: Melina & Cryme Tyme (Shad pins Santino-Thugnificant *3/4)

-Trailer for 12 Rounds is shown.

John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Shawn Michaels
You know the drill. Winner gets the right to job to challenge Undertaker at Wrestlemania. Cole states that the winner of this match will face Kozlov next week on Raw and the winner of that match will face Taker. JBL powers Shawn into the corner and delivers a knee. Shawn attacks out of the corner and mounts with a barrage of punches. After a pull apart Shawn charges into a clothesline, which gets two for JBL. An elbow drop form JBL misses, and Shawn gets a chop for two. Shawn locks in an wristlock, but JBL punches out of that. Into the corner and JBL drives Shawn down with a series of stiff punches. Off the ropes comes Shawn and he stops a backdrop attempt with a kick. Series of chops follows from HBK, but an Irish whip is reversed by JBL sending Shawn crashing into the corner. Elbow drop connects by JBL for a two count. Knees in the corner are delivered by JBL followed up by an Irish whip into the corner. JBL comes charging in, but he walks into a boot. Shawn comes back at him but walks into a punch, which sends Shawn to the floor. JBL follows out after him and picks up Shawn. Shawn slips down the back and sends JBL crashing into the post. Shawn also hits the post and both men are out. I thought they were going for the double count out here to set up a triple threat but both men barely beat the count into the ring at nine. That sends us to commercial. Back from break and both men are still down. JBL comes off the ropes and puts a stop to a backdrop attempt from HBK with a forearm. Shawn is placed up on the top rope by JBL and they trade punches from that position. JBL gets the better of it and goes for a superplex, but Shawn fights him off. JBL comes right back with a huge kick that sends Shawn crashing to the floor. JBL stays in the ring hoping to take the count out, but Shawn is able to drag himself back in. Short clothesline from JBL gets a two count. JBL works the back a little bit with a few forearms before locking in an abdominal stretch. Shawn is able to fight out of it was a series of elbows and follows those up with a chop. Shawn comes off the ropes with a flying forearm. Nip up sets up a pair of inverted atomic drops. Bodyslam from Shawn sets up the picture perfect elbow drop. Shawn tunes up the band, but JBL ducks the attempt. JBL sends Shawn over the top rope, but Shawn skins the cat. Back inside Shawn runs into the big boot from JBL. JBL sets up for the clothesline from hell, but charges right into sweet chin music. Pinfall is academic from there at 13:01 and Shawn moves on to try to work the miracle of all miracles and get a watchable match out of Vladimir Kozlov next week for the right to face The Undertaker. We really mean it this time.
Winner: Shawn Michaels (Pinfall-Sweet Chin Music **1/2)

-Shawn's celebration is interrupted by Kozlov who marches down to the ring to get nose to nose with Shawn. Staredown commences until Shawn decides to fire the first shot. Big mistake as Vlad connects with a chokeslam. Vlad screams some random Russian gibberish as he stands over Shawn.

-We see the Legacy talking things over in the locker room as they await the arrival of HHH.

-Recap of Wrestlemania 24 is shown. Honestly if you don't get chills watching the highlights of HBK-Flair you're not a wrestling fan. "I'm sorry I love you" is the defining moment of the decade.

Jamie Noble vs. Mike Knox
Jamie Noble gets on the mic to say he knows he only lasted 15 seconds against Kane last week, but he knows if he can last longer this week he's going to Wrestlemania. I think you know where this is headed. Noble attacks quickly but runs into a knee. Noble charges into a big boot and a roll of the dice finishes at :29. So this means Jamie's going to Wrestlemania right?
Winner: Mike Knox (Pinfall-Roll of the Dice DUD)

-The newest member of the WWE Hall of Fame class of 2009 is none other than Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat. No surprise as this one had been leaked a while back, but still a long overdue and very deserving induction. This is already shaping up to be one of the best classes top to bottom ever. Ric Flair will do the induction.

-Michael Cole is on the stage to interview Ricky Steamboat. Steamboat says it's the greatest honor of his life. He says he can remember wrestling at the Pontiac Silverdome and winning the Intercontinental Championship was the greatest highlight of his career. If you're scoring at home Intercontinental Championship > NWA World Championship. Now being inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame is the greatest moment of his life. To the shock of absolutely no one Chris Jericho is out to interrupt. Jericho says he also has some thank you's. Jericho says that he was proven right. He says despite all of Mickey Rourke's shameless pandering and butt kissing he lost the Oscar. Just like the character he played in The Wrestler he's a loser trying to hold on for one last run in the spotlight. He says Rourke reminds him of a lot of the losers in this business like Flair, Piper, and even Steamboat. Jericho says he's a man of truth and he's going to tell Steamboat the truth right now. He says when Steamboat was in the NWA, a company the WWE doesn't even acknowledge existed, and was facing Ric Flair in those classics he was just Ricky Steamboat. Jericho says it wasn't until he came to the WWE and sold his soul and became The Dragon. He calls him a glorified Karate Kid selling headbands and feeding into stereotypes. Then he literally came to the ring with a Kimono Dragon spitting fire like the circus freak he had become. Jericho says it was pathetic, but it was all right as long as he was making a paycheck. Jericho says he knows that Steamboat would have come back and wrestled like all the rest, but instead he took the back door route with a backstage job. He calls Steamboat a lifelong sellout, and now with the hall of fame induction the loyal dog gets his bone. Jericho tells Steamboat to enjoy his moment with all the hypocrite fans because he's the biggest hypocrite of them all. Jericho goes the back but Steamboat calls him back. Steamboat asks Jericho if he knows what hypocrite means. He says he remembers 20 years ago at an autograph signing he signed an autograph for Jericho, and Jericho called him his hero. Steamboat says he wrote that in his autobiography. Steamboat says when Jericho came to the WWE he talked down to the fans, but then within a year he embraced them. Then he spent the next several years turning on them, then embracing on them, and turning on them several times. He tells Jericho that is a hypocrite. Steamboat says from the day he started until the day he retired he didn't change once. Steamboat says he respected the audience and entertained them every time he came through the curtain. Steamboat says himself, Flair, Piper, and the other legends know who they are. Steamboat says coming back to work with young stars, and help them isn't a sellout, but because he loves the business. Steamboat says he doesn't care what Jericho thinks of him, because he's not a hypocrite or a sellout, but he is something Jericho may never be and that's a hall of famer. Jericho then attacks Steamboat with the microphone and throws him into the screen. Honestly, that might have been the best promo of Steamboat's career. Jericho was phenomenal too. Still not sure where this is headed, but its sure got me intrigued.

-Grisham is in the parking lot and he's still waiting for Triple H. Does anyone have a clock? They still have a main event match and only fifteen minutes left.

John Cena vs. Chavo Guerrero
Vickie says Cena will not be granted his World Championship rematch tonight. Cena says that's no big shock. Cena says he's trying be patient, but she's testing his patience. Cena promises he's gonna follow Vickie everywhere she goes until he gets his match. He promises to follow her to Smackdown Friday, then to Raw Monday if he has to. Vickie says as she promised Cena would be facing friend or family. Everyone sees this coming don't they? The family is Chavo of course. Cena attacks right away with a protoplex. Five knuckle shuffle, Attitude Adjustment, and STF finish as Chavo gets the Noble treatment in just :46.
Winner: John Cena (Submision-STF DUD)

-The Legacy heads to the ring, and Orton is bringing a sledgehammer.

-Randy Orton heads to the ring with Dibiase, Rhodes, and a sledgehammer head to the ring to explain the events of last week. Orton says he's been waiting for Triple H all night, but he might as well come out and wait in the ring. That is if HHH will show up at all. Orton says for those of us who think HHH will come out and avenge his wife then congratulations. Because if HHH truly is a McMahon he's arrogant, out of touch, and just plain stupid. Orton says HHH thinks Stephanie is a victim, but he is wrong. Orton himself is the victim. He says all he wanted to do was mind his own business and stay out of way. Orton says Vince McMahon insulted his family and caused him to lose control and kick him in the hand. Orton says he beat Shane at No Way Out, but Shane wouldn't let it go, so he did what he said he was going to do and put him in the hospital right next to the old man. Orton says it didn't have to be that way, but Shane pushed him and pushed him until he had to push back. Orton then says there is Stephanie. The last time Steph got in his face she slapped him. Orton says Stephanie thinks she can do whatever she wants because of what her last name is, but she got in his face again and instinct took over. Orton says the people judge him, but they have no idea what he goes through. Orton says they have no idea what its like to be at the top of his profession. He says they hate him because he does things they can only fantasize about. He says they have no idea the pressure he is under being a celebrity. Orton says the fans don't understand, but the McMahon's do. Orton says Stephanie should have known better. Orton says he hopes HHH's children were watching so they could learn from their mother's mistakes. HHH is shown arriving on the titantron with a sledgehammer of his own in tow. Again no music or fanfare, just an angry pissed off husband out for revenge. HHH stalks the ring slowly as The Legacy waits. Orton tells him to hang on. He says he figured HHH would bring out the sledgehammer. Orton says someone will get hurt. He tells HHH to drop the hammer and he'll drop his then they can settle things like men. Orton drops his sledgehammer, and HHH does as well. The Legacy surround HHH, but HHH has a trick up his sleeve ans he stored another sledgehammer in his jeans. Rhodes gets blasted with the sledgehammer as Orton and Dibiase run for safety. The doors to the arena are locked so Orton and Dibiase barricade themselves in a locker room. Its only temporary as HHH is able to break the door down. Dibiase gets a shot in the back with the sledgehammer as HHH corners Orton. Orton is finally able to escape the locker room and Dibiase is now running with him somehow quickly recovering from the sledgehammer shot. They are able to finally get out of the arena into an awaiting vehicle and they drive off seconds before HHH can get to them.

-Well things were going along all great until HHH showed up. Orton was delivering a strong promo using twisted heel logic. Then HHH shows up and Orton drops his sledgehammer like an idiot. HHH is apparently the smartest guy in history, because he thought to store a SECOND sledgehammer in his pants on the off chance that Orton would offer up such a deal. Then sadistic heel Orton turns into chickenshit Orton as he runs for safety. If things had ended there, it might have been fine, but instead we got to see the Tom and Jerry act throughout the backstage area complete with Dibiase completely no selling a sledgehammer shot to the back of the neck. Thought was there, the emotion of the angle is there, the execution however was awful. I still think this is going to be a great feud, but it definitely hit a bump in the road this week. Rest of the show was pretty hit and miss and lived or died by the final segment. It died.


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So, Randy Orton has to come to the ring with two guys AND a sledgehammer as backup? SELF-BERRIED!

Posted By: Decky (Registered)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:23 PM

 
 
I disagree with your assessment of the last segment. That was a good old school Attitude-era ending.

Posted By: ND (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:26 PM

 
 
EXCUSE ME!

WHAMMY~!

WRONG!


Posted By: Matt P (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:26 PM

 
 
" Jericho was phenomenal too. Still not sure where this is headed, but its sure got me intrigued."

My guess is Austin-Jericho.

But that's just me.


Posted By: Sledgy (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:27 PM

 
 
I was cool with the final segment and I'm pretty sure others were as well. It was entertaining to watch Triple H go batshit crazy.

Posted By: Christopher Warrior (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:29 PM

 
 
One shot deal: See RVD

Posted By: Websters Dictionary (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:31 PM

 
 
I don't know what you guys and gals thought, but that was a little more than PG to me and I LIKED IT. :)

Posted By: DocH78 (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:31 PM

 
 
I enjoyed the final segment

Posted By: Mike Adamle (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:33 PM

 
 
The ending was pretty awesome by me. Thought he was going to take the door off that lemo.

Posted By: cbizzle (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:33 PM

 
 
as much as i enjoyed this report...i have to point out that DiBiase was hit with the handle of the sledgehammer, not the metal end, thats why he "no sold" it...he wasnt hit with the metal...and neither was Rhodes actually...

just sayin


Posted By: Guest#5358 (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:34 PM

 
 
I thought that Raw this week for the most part felt predictable, but I really enjoyed the ending between Legacy, Orton and HHH. Now if we can just get Cody Rhodes fired, I'll be enjoying Raw even more

Posted By: Dwayne (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:35 PM

 
 
Very lame ending tonight!

Posted By: Marcus (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:36 PM

 
 
Is Cody Rhodes on the Juice???

Posted By: Bunkhouse Buck (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:36 PM

 
 
Agree with the points on the closing angle, and don't forget the asinine camera angle never revealing the second slegehammer and his stupid rigid pose.

Personally, I think the angle made HHH look like a pussy. All he wants is a piece of this guy and he's got to store a slegehammer in his back and not just go after him. My friends and I have a saying, sometimes you have to catch an ass beating to prove a point in this life, with no regard to yourself, and its usually in this instance, defending a chick. Here HHH was cautious and guarded, he should have hit that ring like a house of fire, this slow burn crap is for the birds.

But the ultimate transgression, the ultimate thing that saps the energy of these backstage spots, is the "magic camera". Yes I know its well worn territory, but these used to be hot angles back in the day and it actually STARTED like that, that "Cops" style "chase camera", but when Dibiase and Orton book and run into a room and you CUT TO INSIDE THE ROOM, it removes any juice from the segment. No one cares about how it looks, its all about the energy and intensity, that sells tickets, not the production value of the fight.


Posted By: Marty Funkhowser (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:40 PM

 
 
Final segment was good until the chase. How can HHH not be able to attack them both in that locer room with the sledgehammer? He had Orton cornered. All he had to do was trip im and beat the shit out him with that sledgehammer. He swung over Orton. Damn Hunter, your aim is that bad? He could have just chased Orton and DiBiase to the car and smash the windows as the pulled off, leaving us wanting more next week. See how simple that is?

WWE: Where potentially good storylines turn into train wrecks since 2002.


Posted By: swiftychampleone (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:41 PM

 
 
Totally disagreed. Segment was ace.

Posted By: Cecil (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:41 PM

 
 
the two things i liked were the jericho-steamboat promo, imo jericho is still the top heel, and the triple threat match. the last segment was sorta strange, gr8 emotion but legacy kept getting caught in situations where they clearly had the advantage and they kept running. Oh and for the triple h interview, i know it wasn't on purpose but that was a gr8 spoof by triple h unintentionally of a-rod's LONG pause/look around/take a drink of water process at his press conference, funny stuff.

Posted By: cj (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:42 PM

 
 
One more thing, unless the Dragon REALLY approved that promo, it did cross the line a few times, with him being a stereotype and his dysfunctional family comments. If the heat isn't building to a Y2J-Dragon match, it didn't have any place.

Posted By: Marty Funkhowser (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:43 PM

 
 
I liked this show it had a lot of different guys coming out who were doing different stuff and wacky music songs and all sorts of colors on the screen it was a TV show that I watched all of so that is something to say about it

For your health!


Posted By: Dr. Steve Brule (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:44 PM

 
 
I thought the final segment was pretty cool. Any other Raw, HHH would've cleared the ring and then had a staredown with Orton on the ramp, or he would've chased them straight to the car and that would've been the show. Instead, we got a pretty long, intense and fun extended chase sequence. Far better than the horrible stuff they did last year between Cena and JBL leading up to the Brawl at the Great American Bash.

I definitely enjoyed the ending, and I hope they can keep this momentum up all the way to Mania without a stale segment between the two.


Posted By: Se7en17 (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:44 PM

 
 
Is NO ONE going to mention the fact that Cody was wearing a nose ring during his interview with The Grish?

...well I guess I just did...


Posted By: Guest#0136 (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:46 PM

 
 
If Jericho was having fans trying to beat him up after house shows before, he better have a fucking gun with him now. Punching Steamboat is one step short of pissing on Jesus.

Is it just me or is HHH getting fat?

Rest of this show was pretty much a clunker.


Posted By: Guest (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:50 PM

 
 
i heard they wanted to bring in steamboats son on an angle involving his dad, maybe this is it.

Posted By: beezy 428 (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:52 PM

 
 
I'll pretty much watch any piece of shit WWE puts out and call it gold. Because otherwise I'd feel like I wasted my time watching it, and we can't have that now can we?

Posted By: All of the 411 Geeks (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:53 PM

 
 
The direction they are going with Orton is just maddening. I actually think his involvement with Legacy has done him more harm than good.

Posted By: Chay (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:53 PM

 
 
I really enjoyed Raw. The triple threat match was great. I enjoyed up until the Cena/Guerrero segment towards the end. Chavo being booked like a goof is horrible. He's a great wrestler and while he shouldn't have won or had an extremely competitive match, he could have gotten in a little more offense. IMO, that brought the show down a GREAT deal. Especially with only minutes remaining in the broadcast. It served no purpose.

As for the final segment, I thought it made Orton look a little weak but at the same time, it added heat to the feud and makes me want to see them fight all the more. I really hope they can hold off any physical interaction until Mania (or at least a brawl the last Raw before the event).


Posted By: MachoManFanStill (Guest)  on February 23, 2009 at 11:59 PM

 
 
moment of the night:
The Rock trying to get over his new name DJ


Posted By: jokerdoom (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:08 AM

 
 
moment of the night:
The Rock trying to get over his new name DJ


Posted By: jokerdoom (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:10 AM

 
 
agree that some of jericho's promos are getting real personal, but given his real-life respect for these guys, you gotta believe he is clearing it by them. that said, it has been a real long time since we've seen so many top tier heels. orton, jericho and edge are just on right now. i'm sure the E is hoping austin (or even a bigger dream, rock) comes back for jericho, but their backup plan is likely mysterio. tell you what though, if they weren't going hbk/UT, either of them would've made perfect fill-ins here - particuarly UT since it would be a fresh matchup.

or hell, maybe they'll just blow it all and go with hacksaw. hoooooooooo!


Posted By: nick (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:10 AM

 
 
WWE lost me the minute they wasted 20 minutes with Vickie Guerrero. From now on I'll just read the re-caps on here, they are fare more entertaining then the actual show. Sh*t like this is why WCW had ratings, people turned the channel, not for a better product just to get away from crappy on air people like vicki..

Posted By: Death Metal (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:12 AM

 
 
I wish every Raw could end with a Benny Hill sketch.

Posted By: The Grundle (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:12 AM

 
 
i would bet with jericho giving it to the legends that it will end up being a hogan - jericho match at mania

Posted By: bret hart (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:13 AM

 
 
The show outside of the great Jericho-Steamboat segment was pretty damn flat. Gotta love the end of the show. HHH can never look weak he can't ever be outsmarted or even take a 3 on 1 beatdown. I had to laugh how mucvh bigger his sledgehammer was than Orton. Orton since taking out Vince has been booked pretty damn badly. HHH at this stage reminds me of Hogan circa 95-early '96. Maybe he can fight off all the heels in the promotion in a cage and with help of HBK beat them all ala Hogan and Savage at the 1996 Uncensored ppv.

Posted By: graves9 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:16 AM

 
 
disagree with your assessment of the last segment. That was a good old school Attitude-era ending.

Posted By: ND (Guest) on February 23, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Holy delusion Batman!


Posted By: Guest#6309 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:18 AM

 
 
awful awful show Noble already got squashed so hey why not have chavo be buried in the match that was built up. The last segment is why this company has fallen so far from the attitude era.

Posted By: will (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:20 AM

 
 
I was cool with the final segment and I'm pretty sure others were as well. It was entertaining to watch Triple H go batshit crazy.

Posted By: Christopher Warrior (Guest) on February 23, 2009 at 11:29 PM

you are cool with HHH's man juice too clearly.


Posted By: Guest#1491 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:22 AM

 
 
Totally disagreed. Segment was ace.

Posted By: Cecil (Guest) on February 23, 2009 at 11:41 PM
lmao


Posted By: Guest#3290 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:24 AM

 
 
Yeah, the program with Jericho is going somewhere...Vince signed me for a one shot deal at WM25 to face Jericho...He had better wash out, as this legend is going to flush him down the toilet

Posted By: T.L. Hopper (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:26 AM

 
 
I'll pretty much watch any piece of shit WWE puts out and call it gold. Because otherwise I'd feel like I wasted my time watching it, and we can't have that now can we?

Posted By: All of the 411 Geeks (Guest) on February 23, 2009 at 11:53 PM
lmao hit the nail on the head.


Posted By: Guest#9158 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:26 AM

 
 
The one thing that Jericho could have done is made a couple of cracks about how every 3rd move of Steamboat is an arm drag. (Which come to think of it he's already done when he did that thing years ago when he started listing moves he knows.)

Posted By: Dave (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:27 AM

 
 
you all must hate orton because that last segment was a fucking burial

Posted By: Guest#3664 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:27 AM

 
 
thought the final segment was pretty cool. Any other Raw, HHH would've cleared the ring and then had a staredown with Orton on the ramp, or he would've chased them straight to the car and that would've been the show. Instead, we got a pretty long, intense and fun extended chase sequence. Far better than the horrible stuff they did last year between Cena and JBL leading up to the Brawl at the Great American Bash.

I definitely enjoyed the ending, and I hope they can keep this momentum up all the way to Mania without a stale segment between the two.

Posted By: Se7en17 (Guest) on February 23, 2009 at 11:44 PM

uhh it was worse than that are you this much of a wwe shill that youy can't see straight?


Posted By: Guest#0035 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:29 AM

 
 
nonsense...HHH segment was hell of an entertainment....i liked that very much...RAW ratings wil go to sky heights wen HHH is the main eventer....time to play the game...its all about the game... :D

Posted By: hhh hc fan (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:32 AM

 
 
2 things: I actually really enjoyed the last segment because you could feel the intensity of it. The only thing I didn't buy was when they were cornered in the dressing room and still Orton got away with no contact.

Second thing is that I thought the Miz/Morrison/Punk triple threat from the Survivor Series 2007 was better. This wasn't bad, but I enjoyed the other more.


Posted By: Empire Of Ownage (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:33 AM

 
 
The creative effort (McMahons and writers) is really out-of-touch to continue building up the McMahon family as superheroes who should be feared as if they are gods among men. Randy Orton went from a superstar heel to being chased backstage by Triple H in a ridiculous angle. Orton having to show so much fear and playing a weak version of a cowardly heel is so inane, especially when we got a taste of how great Orton can be as a heel on the Raw before the Royal Rumble. First SuperShane, now SuperDuperHunter.

Posted By: james (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:34 AM

 
 
And the burial of Randy Orton continues. By this time next year I have feeling WWE will be releasing him. Fuck Vince and HHH for this self-patronizing horse shit feud.

Posted By: Butters4Prez (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:40 AM

 
 
oh and how steamboat broke down how jericho was the real hypocrite was gr8. The show overall was wellll....not that gr8

Posted By: cj (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:40 AM

 
 
To everyone who complains about everything any wrestling promotion does...

1-Buy a wrestling promotion

2-Book it so you please everybody

3-Have a nice day


Posted By: Ben S (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:41 AM

 
 
Rhodes will be apart of The Legacy til Dibiase's brother joins them. Then Cody may just be lost in the shuffle or brought back to OVW or FCW

Posted By: HiDickie (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:42 AM

 
 
can HHH please die? What a selfish prick he is.

Posted By: Guest#4033 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:42 AM

 
 
2 things: I actually really enjoyed the last segment because you could feel the intensity of it. The only thing I didn't buy was when they were cornered in the dressing room and still Orton got away with no contact.

Second thing is that I thought the Miz/Morrison/Punk triple threat from the Survivor Series 2007 was better. This wasn't bad, but I enjoyed the other more.

Posted By: Empire Of Ownage (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 12:33 he ran like a fucking bitch and was outsmarted by the great HHH.


Posted By: Guest#6981 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:44 AM

 
 
Was HHH competing for the next Hammer Throw Olympic Event a One Shot Deal ?

Posted By: Csonka Jr (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:48 AM

 
 
where is michael cole

Posted By: dachrisman (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:48 AM

 
 
edge but vickie guerrero fuckin sucks...im also getting sick and damn tired of seeing orton made out to be a pussy..i hope triple h doesn't burry him at mania

Posted By: BEN (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:48 AM

 
 
you can bank on the fact that triple H will burry his ass at WM 25.

Posted By: TOM (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:49 AM

 
 
The last segment was not done well at all. I kept thinking, if HHH pulls out another sledge hammer, I will be taken completely out of this segment. Then he did. Also, how many weapons, like chairs and such did Orton and Dibiase pass while running from Trips?
way too hokey.


Posted By: johnboy (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:51 AM

 
 
To everyone who complains about everything any wrestling promotion does...

1-Buy a wrestling promotion

2-Book it so you please everybody

3-Have a nice day

Posted By: Ben S (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 12:41 AM

how come you done say this when people pile on TNA oh wait lettme guess? Btw if you start up a promotion don't let your kids run it let alone marry one of the wrestlers my god!


Posted By: Guest#0832 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:57 AM

 
 
"you all must hate orton because that last segment was a fucking burial"

Yeah, Orton should have just stood there perfectly still while the huge, pissed off guy carrying a deadly weapon was coming towards him. That's way better than Orton being smart and getting away before he can be attacked.


Posted By: Guest#7628 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 01:11 AM

 
 
Orton looks weak hiding from SuyperShane and Triple H. Levesque's cartoon seething is "off the hook." I coulda sworn he was Hulking-up, a-la Lou Ferrigno, as-in, his eyes and skin were turning green.

Posted By: sam beningo (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 01:12 AM

 
 
Dear ThuperTrips,

I hope if anyone ever flattens my wife, I'll have the courage to jog after them. God bless you Wizard of Schnozz. You are officially my hero.

PS - I was also nice to see you drink some water, instead of spitting it all over yourself.

PPS - You should tell Steph to take it easy with the strap-on, if you can now stash sledgehammers up your pooper. I'm just sayin'.


Posted By: darren reed (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 01:16 AM

 
 
I was there and it was funny during the end segment. Triple H's extra sledgehammer was sticking out of the bottom of his pants. We all pointed and laughed.

Posted By: jerichoholic (guest) (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 01:41 AM

 
 
I'll go in a different direction b/c there's always this war between WWE and TNA viewers on here.

This has been an amazing time to watch wrestling as of late especially both promotions main storylines.

TNA has been amazing with the main event stuff with Kurt and Sting. Even helped the show draw a new record rating for SPIKE. An empty arena match! CLASSIC!

WWE has been too damn watchable as of late although Raw was really spotty tonight. Jericho has played this heel role very role. Hopefully Mickey and Stone Cold make an appearance on the same week. Snuka got owned! The Cena/Edge s/l should just stay simply Cena vs Edge b/c both wrestlers can sell themselves with no outside help.

Let's admit it folks! You enjoyed tonight's ender and stop lying to yourself. How can you not? It was like watching Jason mixed in with the Attitude era.


Posted By: Hot Pocket (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 02:50 AM

 
 
First off stop it with these 1 shot deals. It makes me cringe.

Manu just got released. Can that Snuka son be next then the disbanding of The Legacy


Posted By: ImnotDickie (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 02:52 AM

 
 
VINTAGE Michael Cole! lol...good call by Cena

Posted By: Franchise2 (Registered)  on February 24, 2009 at 02:57 AM

 
 
If it hasn't been said already: JBL costs HBK the match against Kozlov. UT has Kozlov as his sacrifice, and HBK v. JBL the final chapter at WM, hopefully a no-DQ match, cuz that's the only ones JBL can be carried in.

Posted By: Guest#7649 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 03:02 AM

 
 
can HHH please die? What a selfish prick he is.

Posted By: Guest#4033 (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Fuck off....u bastard!


Posted By: helller (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 03:09 AM

 
 
It's too bad Orton dropped his sledgehammer because he could have used it to break a table and then nail the splintered boards into the door when he was trying to keep Triple-H out. A boarded up door is far more effective than a couch barricade, someone get this guy a copy of any zombie movie.

Posted By: Zombie Survivalist (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 03:21 AM

 
 
"Vlad screams some random Russian gibberish"

How do you know it was gibberish, do you speak Russian? Why do people have to act like any foreign language is just nonsense rather than, well, another language? That irritates me.


Posted By: Captain Russki (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 03:29 AM

 
 
I thought maybe HHH saw Jim Hellwig in the mirror and no one else could see him, so he frustratingly threw the sledgehammer to get rid of him

Posted By: jasonel (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 03:43 AM

 
 
I really hope this Jericho angle leads to Terry Funk back on tv for a night. not wrestling though.

Posted By: ayobmedz (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 03:58 AM

 
 
3 way and the final segment were the only good things about this show. JBL still proves that e is just a slob that can't wrestle. Not a good RAW but not a bad one by any means.

Sad that only two things were good about this show and it was still ok. Oh how low WWE has become.


Posted By: Klossing (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 04:17 AM

 
 
I don't think I like Orton's mic skills. Kinda stale.

Posted By: The Other Ryan (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 04:20 AM

 
 
I havn't seen the show yet, but how the fuck do you store a sledgehammer in your jeans, really? All allusions of this to some slapstick comedy sound spot on.

Posted By: Guest#5778 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 04:47 AM

 
 
i think a jericho steamboat match woulda been cool.......10 years ago but maybe all the hall of famers will get together on a highlight reel at mania bash the shit outta jericho and let mickey rourke hit his finisher from the movie on jericho

Posted By: Guest#6641 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 04:50 AM

 
 
is there absolutely no way that couldn't have qualified both punk and morrison for the money in the bank?! punk coulda killed a jabroni and morrison could have too and both would get their mania payday. god knows morrison deserves it

Posted By: Guest#6338 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 05:28 AM

 
 
***Honestly if you don't get chills watching the highlights of HBK-Flair you're not a wrestling fan. "I'm sorry I love you" is the defining moment of the decade.*** ...... Are you kidding me??? what type of person would say that. Chavo sent more chills then that. If I wanted to see ric flair have a defining moment, it wouldnt have come with shawn micheals. I can throw a steak on the BBQ and watch my old man and the neighbour have a better battle for the steak. Lets get real here people, a comment like suggested is not needed at 7 am in the mourning!

Posted By: Guest#1535 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 06:47 AM

 
 
Jericho is not phenomenal. He never has been

Posted By: Guest#2784 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 06:50 AM

 
 
Seriously...they are taking the Austin HOF thing a bit too seriously....

Posted By: HHH Hates Glass (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 07:03 AM

 
 
Vintage DJ

Posted By: rocky maivia (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 07:17 AM

 
 
Final segment was good until the chase. How can HHH not be able to attack them both in that locer room with the sledgehammer? He had Orton cornered. All he had to do was trip im and beat the shit out him with that sledgehammer. He swung over Orton. Damn Hunter, your aim is that bad? He could have just chased Orton and DiBiase to the car and smash the windows as the pulled off, leaving us wanting more next week. See how simple that is?

WWE: Where potentially good storylines turn into train wrecks since 2002.

Posted By: swiftychampleone (Guest) on February 23, 2009 at 11:41 PM

Then what do you call the MEM and Frontline?


Posted By: Drew (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 07:33 AM

 
 
Another reason NOT to watch raw is the Interim GM!!! Geez someone get her some liposuction or a tummy tuck. WWE wants raw, sd, and even ecw to be PG, how about healthy and fit!?! Vicki is by no means a last resort replacement for lita for edge. She is only there because of circumstances and her last name. I would go so far as to say wwe feels sorry for her. She reminds me of those old snapple commercials where the fat lady sat behind a desk and you could only see her head and KNEW she was overweight.

At least RAW, SD, and ECW do not get rid of their young talent, for now, eh TNA! Raw still has Cena squashing ppl, boring!


Posted By: guest1228 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 07:49 AM

 
 
So am I the only one who noticed Michael Cole call Stephanie HHH's "husband"?

Posted By: M:-X (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 08:13 AM

 
 
A lot of people are complaining because Randy Orton ran from Triple H, thinking he should've stood his ground because he is a heel, and shouldn't run like a coward. But I take this approach... he didn't just run from Triple H because, oh my God, it's Triple H. He ran because seven days earlier he attacked the man's wife, and the mother of his kids. What would you do if YOU were in that situation? Seriously. Whether you were alone or had your friends with you, if you assaulted a man's wife, and he came for you, you wouldn't stand your ground. Because you'd stop at knocking the man out, and he wouldn't stop until you quit moving.

Attack a man's wife, and see who has more reason to beat the living crap out of who... you, or the husband.

That's a whole new level of pissed-off, much higher than if Orton had simply started this rivalry by saying the next "Legend" he killed would be Triple H, and then HHH came at him.

Think about it from a real-life perspective.


Posted By: Trent (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 08:46 AM

 
 
triple h runs like an old man

Posted By: paul allen (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 08:48 AM

 
 
Cody Rhodes is a bitch and makes the Legacy look so weak.

I thhhhink Coddddy Rhodesss issss a punk assss bitsssch.


Posted By: Cody Rhodes Hater (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 08:50 AM

 
 
jericho v SNUKA JR., in a legends lumberjack match featuring Mickey Rourke.

Posted By: jojo (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 08:54 AM

 
 
Mark my words it will be Kozlov vs Undertaker at Wrestlemania. Michaels vs JBL in some sort of special match, street fight, first blood, Texas steel cage .

Posted By: Predictor (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 08:58 AM

 
 
If it hasn't been said already: JBL costs HBK the match against Kozlov. UT has Kozlov as his sacrifice, and HBK v. JBL the final chapter at WM, hopefully a no-DQ match, cuz that's the only ones JBL can be carried in.


Eh? why would they have Michaels/JBL AGAIN? Michaels has beat him twice, it was be pointless for them to have another match.

Its either gonna be HBK/Taker/Koslov triple threat( i hope not)

Or most likely they will give us the match everyone wants to see HBK/Taker.

JBL is done with this now.


Posted By: jbardo (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 09:06 AM

 
 
So, HHH breaks kayfabe by admitting he's married to Steph, and tonight Finlay will admit Hornswoggle isn't really his son, right?

Posted By: The Taint (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 09:24 AM

 
 
Didn't we just have this type of ending a few months ago with Cena chasing JBL thru the back? Why not have Orton run over Triple H to completely look stupid.

Also, a second sledgehammer stuffed in his jeans? That was stupid, not nearly as stupid as H still smashing that dressing room mirror when Orton clearly moved out of the was a full 5 seconds before. Why waste the shot when he could've take that time to get closer in his gay ass Wil E Coyote chase?


Posted By: Byzdalmyt (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 09:34 AM

 
 
Anyone who thinks Orton has been "buried" doesn't understand pro wrestling as well as they think they do.

I would like segments like that better, though, if WWE would stick to using more "dirty" camera work and not have cameras stationed inside rooms they clearly would have no reason to be in. Sometimes WWE is just too glossy and over-produced to be as effective as they could be. Sometimes raw and dirty production is much more exciting, you know?


Posted By: MDK (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 09:38 AM

 
 
PPS - You should tell Steph to take it easy with the strap-on, if you can now stash sledgehammers up your pooper. I'm just sayin'.

Posted By: darren reed (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 01:16 AM


LMAO...that sums up ThuperTrips (also gold)


Posted By: Legend since '83' (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 09:41 AM

 
 
RE "but instead we got to see the Tom and Jerry act throughout the backstage area complete with Dibiase completely no selling a sledgehammer shot to the back of the neck "

If you watch the video you can see Dibiase didnt get hit by the hammer but the but of the handle he was out off screen for 10 seconds then was bent over as he was running out of the room. If he got hit with the actual hammer i would agree with you. but a handle shot that was more than believable from a wrestling viewpoint.


Posted By: sketchy1 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 09:41 AM

 
 
Good Raw i thought. obviously im sure a lot of the 411 community will disagree as they usually do. but good buildup.

PS am i the only person that surprised march does not have a pay per view this year. i guess the road to wrestlemania is a lot longer than previous years


Posted By: sketchy1 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 09:43 AM

 
 
I thought the final segment would've been better served if it didn't have the tom-and-jerry chase at the end. I mean, Trips could've beaten the shit out of Orton at any point by simply tripping him. And what's the deal with Orton turning from smart, dickish uberheel into dumbass, chickenshit heel at the sight of Triple H and his hidden sledgehammer? Man, that was something straight out of a Bollywood flick.

Punk's victory today means another Wrestlemania without an IC title defense.

If Steamboat's promo is something to go by, Intercontinental Title > NWA World Championship.

You think Shawn will be the first to pull a decent (like **1/2 or above) match out of the big Russian next week?


Posted By: used2becool (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 09:44 AM

 
 
If it hasn't been said already: JBL costs HBK the match against Kozlov. UT has Kozlov as his sacrifice, and HBK v. JBL the final chapter at WM, hopefully a no-DQ match, cuz that's the only ones JBL can be carried in.

Posted By: Guest#7649 (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 03:02 AM

Wow that would be freaking awful.


Posted By: Guest#6181 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 10:10 AM

 
 
" Jericho was phenomenal too. Still not sure where this is headed, but its sure got me intrigued."

Jericho loves a good story. Especially if it has a payoff. Reference his shortlived run with Goldberg in WCW.

This looks like it will continue until Wrestlemania. All the new (and old) Hall of Famers will be on hand. There will be a segment where the old guys get recognized. Jericho will interrupt it, as usual. And then a huge beatdown will happen.

There isn't going to be a match with this - - it is all story. Some people will whine that it is berry-ing Chris. But think about it... It will give him even more reason to grind his axe on tv for another year. And, most importantly, it will be good PPV-television.

That's my take on it. If you want great Chris Jericho wrestling matches... My guess is that you will have to wait until the shows after Mania!


Posted By: BarnDude (Registered)  on February 24, 2009 at 10:11 AM

 
 
"rob mcnew does not like HHH...or black people" --- kanye


that last segement was money mcnew, quit the HHHate


Posted By: vintageHBK (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 10:17 AM

 
 
Ten years later and we're still bitching about the camera angles and segment drama? Really?

Sometimes I'm convinced that nobody will be happy unless every episode of every wrestling show consists of two hours straight of wrestlers having colorless matches, finishing, going backstage, and saying nothing, as the next wrestlers blankly makes their entrances to do the same thing. The repetitiveness pendulum swings two ways, children.

Yknow, at some point, some people are going to have to accept the fact that wrestling has ALWAYS had a varying element of entertainment and drama to it, and segments like the one at end of Raw are the glue that hold these shows, and in fact, these promotions together. If the actual wrestling matches are points on a map, it's the sports entertainment stuff that is the line that connects it all. At the same time, this shit has obviously NEVER been the highest of high drama. At the very best (see: Flair vs. Dusty, Flair's retirement angle, Jericho vs. Michaels, Rock vs Austin) they paint the drama in broad strokes and the fans identify with the characters involved enough to elevate it to something higher. That's what makes it fun, and memorable. That's what's going on right now between Triple H and Orton. I don't like Triple H all that much, but I give the man credit when he does something right - and he's been all money so far. Was he too methodical and not as uncontrolably violent as he "should" have been last night? Well, first of all, if you're gonna think in those terms, think that he's also had a week to plan all this shit out. As he's been beating us all over the head with for the past decade - he's THE GAME. His whole GIMMICK is planning shit out. That puts the whole thing into context for me, and it works.

The people bitching about the segment drama and camera angle switches are the same people who bitch about Christian Bale's Batman voice in Dark Knight, who bitch about fake CGI, and who bitch about the time accuracy in an episode of 24. OF COURSE you KNOW it's fake, because you're presumably an adult who can distinguish fact from fiction, and you're obviously not watching a documentary of any kind. But at some point, any work of fiction, including (perhaps especially) professional wrestling will require you to accept the fiction being presented to you. You'll either accept it or you won't. So make a choice and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.


Posted By: BJC (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 10:34 AM

 
 
So John Cena hates the Rock but uses his technique at punking Michael Cole to get cheers from the crowd and of course his idiot internet fans that defend him at all costs don't even see it...what else is new?

Posted By: Erik (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 10:36 AM

 
 
Not sure what match Jericho will be put into at WM, but it seems obvious to me that the match will end with all the legends that he's punked coming back and performing their finisher on him. You'd have to think that at the very least STEAMBOAT will get some revenge since he's being inducted this year.

Posted By: Peppi Roni (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 10:40 AM

 
 
What idiot can suspend reality when HHH is allowed to have a sledgehammer and not get fined or suspended for it? If I hit a man with a sledgehammer one time he's going down and he's not getting back up again. But 270 pound HHH has been hitting people with sledgehammers for years and nobody has ever been seriously hurt. This is bullshit. They would at the very least suspend HHH for using a sledgehammer the first time he ever used it. Besides, having to carry a weapon is a heel type thing to do. Why are they having their top babyface relying on a weapon so much of the time?

Posted By: Jake (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 10:52 AM

 
 
"Is it just me or is HHH getting fat? "

H's fat percentage fluctuates many times throughout a year depending on where he is in his cycle. You can't juice 24/7/365. You have to go on for 6-8 weeks and go off for 6-8 weeks. Hence the term 'cycle'. At the very end of a cycle before he goes off is when he's the largest/ripped and is on a steady decline until it starts over again. The guys that stay ripped all the time have the metabolism for it (i.e. classic Luger). Clearly if H would go off for good he'd look like JBL in a year.


Posted By: demOcratic (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 10:56 AM

 
 
Randy Orton is so hot, but he should not have RKO'ed Stephanie McMahon. Whatever Triple H does to him will be well deserved. Another thing, about Rhodes and Dibiase they are so stupid,
Randy Orton is only using them so he won't get hurt. I swear Randy Orton is turning into the newest version of Edge's stupid self. I also think John Cena should wait for a title match against Edge, Wait till I don't know Wrestlemainia. I mean if he loses his match against Edge there is a good chance that he won't get to main event at this Wrestlemainia and then what he has a mini fued with someone and turns heel at Wrestlemainia. If that happens then John Cena's career is truly down the toilet even more so then before. I mean, John Cena just hasn't been the same Wrestler he was when the WWe championship was on Raw and he was the big man on the show. I miss that John Cena he still has that aura about him but I think someones diluted it a little. His fued with Vicky Guerrero has the potential to go places if he actually has the sense to wait this out instead of running around half-cocked as usual.


Posted By: Kendra (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 11:16 AM

 
 
Moment of the night: Jerry Lawler's grumbled, "I'd just like to have a match at WrestleMania." Don't know if that was approved or not, cos he went back to giddy-Lawler immediately after, but it came across very bitter and very real.

How does Michaels/JBL for the right to face Taker become winner/Kozlov next week? Lame justification. Oh, and does Taker get ANY say in this?

Good thing there was a strategically placed cameraman in Orton's dressing room.


Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 11:37 AM

 
 
I totally agree with how these "magical camera" angles just kill the story. Go back to having a camera guy running after them. It reminds me of that empty arena matck with Foley and Rock from 1997-98 where they have that great match and Foley pins Rock with the forklift but right befor the actual pin they cut to the camera view right on top of the lift.

Posted By: D (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 11:47 AM

 
 
CM Punk completely BERRIED!!! the tag team champions...and no one complaints..HHH does it and it is the end of the world

Posted By: armin (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 11:47 AM

 
 
Then what do you call the MEM and Frontline?

Posted By: Drew (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 07:33 AM
---------------------------------------

An even worse storyline that's dead. TNA doesn't do much right anyway. Next question?


Posted By: swiftychampleone (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 11:52 AM

 
 
Orton is on such a freaken role. He gave an outstanding promo this week. He's become the best heel in the business at this point. HOWEVER, HHH is a total tool. Last week he showed his lack of acting ability, and that continued this week with the added distraction of "sledgie". This should have been a good ole fashion, passioned hatred, "southern" brawl with the Legacy eventually getting the best of him. The numbers should continue to work against HHH until he finally gets Orton alone at Wrestlemania in a steel cage where he defends his title and gets revenge. This stuff is easy to book, but NOOO HHH with his big freaken ego, and stupid sledge hammer is ruining an outstanding feud. HHH has no idea how to be a face unless it's a comic face. He has no idea how to play his current role. Hopefully, Orton's stellar work will carry the feud to Houston.

Posted By: Buck I (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 11:54 AM

 
 
"I'm sorry I love you" is the defining moment of the decade. -McNew

Actually,on a December 2001 episode of Smackdown, Austin vs Booker T in a grocery store is the defining moment of the decade.


Posted By: MBD (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:00 PM

 
 
Where's Manu when you need him?!?

Oh....


Posted By: SeatsPro (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:01 PM

 
 
Jericho was his usual smarmy, stellar self.
Steamboat spent his whole career giving bland promos, but really did an excellant job on Monday night. He's also very deserving after an outstanding this year.

BUT, boy does it make me feel old watching a pudgy, gray and bald Ricky Steamboat. I'm only 34, and grew up watching Steamboat. I guess I haven't seen him on TV in quite a while. The aging is an obvious part of life, but is certainly is jarring when you see something like what I saw on Monday night.


Posted By: Buck I (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:10 PM

 
 
I just thought HHH was really just auditioning for the new Thor movie, he must really want it! I kept thinking, why is Legacy even dressed to compete, couldn't they have just worn street clothes? Please remind creative that Santino isn't that bad in the ring, certainly not bad enough to warrant NO wrestling time. Steamboat/Jericho segment was gold Jerry, GOLD! I am curious as to what all of this is leading to, but I am enjoying the ride so far. I expect Lawler to get involved soon, his reactions after the fact are pretty good. Noble was clearly knocked out after Knoxs big bicycle kick, you can tell by how his legs and arms were up in the air. I hope they didn't injure his more with that piece of crap finishing move of Knoxs. Overall the show moved well and keep me interested, well except when Bradshaw was in control of the match with Shawn. Overall a decent show heading to Mania.

Posted By: piperfan01 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:50 PM

 
 
yoo jst waite. Hulkster is gunna com in and win mania. Randy Ortn isa bad man nd he deserves to git the big boote and elbow bruther.

PS - Rob McNew is no Larry Csonka. More larry less of the bad mn pleeze.


Posted By: JJ (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 01:04 PM

 
 
I mentioned how good I thought Raw was and forgot to mention Jericho/Steamboat. Just awesome! I don't remember Steamboat being a great promo guy but he did a superb job here and this is the first time I heard anybody explain to Jericho how he's the real hypocrite. I don't know who Jericho ends up facing but I hope these legends that he assaulted (so far Piper and Dragon) get are able to get a little revenge. Even if it's just helping to cost him the Mania match. Actually that would be the best way because there are no legends (Austin-Hogan included) that should be able to defeat Jericho clean.

Posted By: MachoManFanStill (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 01:16 PM

 
 
"I seem to remember some other guy whose gimmick was beating up Legends..."

--Randy Orton, currently losing fist fights to everybody.


Posted By: JTX (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 02:01 PM

 
 
I disagree with your assessment of the last segment. That was a good old school Attitude-era ending.

Posted By: ND (Guest) on February 23, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Go Jump Off A Cliff


Posted By: Rob McNew (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 02:02 PM

 
 
Yes, the Jericho/Steamboat interaction was brilliant. Jericho's statements were spot on, as were Steamboat's rebuttals. Y2J has prolly turned more than any other wrestler in the ten years he's been with WWE.

If he ends up facing Austin at WrestleMania he'll prolly end up taking a Stunner, all the other legends moves, then a final Stunner to lose. The fans will get what they want and Jericho can claim not one of them could beat him on their own.


Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 02:10 PM

 
 
CM Punk completely BERRIED!!! the tag team champions...and no one complaints..HHH does it and it is the end of the world

Posted By: armin (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 11:47 AM

How did Punk bury them?? They handed hims his ass the entire match, then Miz and Morrison turned on each other and caught a lucky break at the end....people on this site don't even understand the meaning of the word BURIAL anymore...they just use it to whine when someone loses or isn't booked as dominant EVERY week! HHH didn't even bury Randy...how did Randy look weak?? He and Legacy were about to pounce HHH until he outsmarted them with Sledgy and they bailed...you wouldn't run from a dude with a sledgehammer that's beyond pissed with assaulting his wife?? Come on...Randy didn't look like a bitch, he just got outsmarted...plain and simple! AND IT HAPPENS!!


Posted By: Erik (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 02:44 PM

 
 
Another reason NOT to watch raw is the Interim GM!!! Geez someone get her some liposuction or a tummy tuck. WWE wants raw, sd, and even ecw to be PG, how about healthy and fit!?! Vicki is by no means a last resort replacement for lita for edge. She is only there because of circumstances and her last name. I would go so far as to say wwe feels sorry for her. She reminds me of those old snapple commercials where the fat lady sat behind a desk and you could only see her head and KNEW she was overweight.

At least RAW, SD, and ECW do not get rid of their young talent, for now, eh TNA! Raw still has Cena squashing ppl, boring!

Posted By: guest1228 (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 07:49 AM

Yes, that's something great to teach the children....If you aren't built like Cena or have a foxy body like Melina then you shouldn't be employed...you..are...retarded! Let's discriminate against overweight people? What is...3rd grade??? I think Vickie's last name should be a testament to how great her character is! She is absolutely DESPISED but was married to a hall of famer that so many idolize! I think that's incredible


Posted By: Erik (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 02:47 PM

 
 
No Mickie James ?

Posted By: Chico (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 02:57 PM

 
 
Yes, that's something great to teach the children....If you aren't built like Cena or have a foxy body like Melina then you shouldn't be employed...you..are...retarded! Let's discriminate against overweight people? What is...3rd grade??? I think Vickie's last name should be a testament to how great her character is! She is absolutely DESPISED but was married to a hall of famer that so many idolize! I think that's incredible

Posted By: Erik (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 02:47 PM

Didn't Big Viscera get a stern talking to because of his OVERWEIGHT problem?? Am I am a retard!?! You consider only that vicki is annoying and despised aside from the fact that she was in a wheelchair to mask the huge thighs.

WHO THE HELL SAID ANYTHING BOUT JOHN CENA there sunshine?? Did i mention who is fit and who is not. No. You sir are a douche bag, instead of incriminating yourself look at the facts before you type, have a cupcake with your tea little boy blue!


Posted By: guest1228 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 03:38 PM

 
 
Like Orton did to Steph, I hit my female Assistant Manager with an RKO. I hooked her in it "out of nowhere" style in front of the building. My co-workers dared me to do it. They thought I wouldn't, but I did.

Posted By: Chico (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 04:15 PM

 
 
The ending chase was one of the most entertaining segments of WWE tv in a long...long time. HOW DARE THEY TRY TO BE ENTERTAINING

HOW DARE THEY


Posted By: cough (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 04:22 PM

 
 
i heard jamie noble got hurt pretty bad after the mike knox match. anyone know what happened to him, or how bad it is?

Posted By: robb (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 04:31 PM

 
 
I agree. Don't make Orton a heel that turns coward. Make him a worthy foe. Keep him at a level "Rock" "HHH" or "Undertaker" menacing.

Posted By: Adam H (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 05:09 PM

 
 
Great now they're gonna put that annoying ditchpig Vickie on RAW too. I know Vince felt sorry her hubby offed himself snorting half of Colombia and wanted to help her with a job but couldn't he give her something to do off camera like wash tights or something?

Posted By: Guest#1604 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 05:27 PM

 
 
"rob mcnew does not like HHH...or black people" --- kanye


that last segement was money mcnew, quit the HHHate

Posted By: vintageHBK (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 10:17 AM

I'm the last person you can accuse of HHHate. Hell I wrote this review while wearing a HHH t-shirt.


Posted By: Robbymac (Registered)  on February 24, 2009 at 05:31 PM

 
 
"Well things were going along all great until HHH showed up."

And that, friends, is the history of the WWE.


Posted By: Andrew (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 05:40 PM

 
 
This is completely unrelated to anything, but did anyone else catch that Jonatathan "The Coach" Coachman is now an ESPN Sportscenter anchor?

Posted By: The Coach (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 05:41 PM

 
 
Wasn't overly impressed with the squashes matches but thought it was a good Raw. I actually liked the final segment. It felt kinda like a horror movie. Reminded me of the Attitude days. It sucked that Orton gave up his sledgehammer but overall I have to say that this is was one of the most emotional feuds towards Wrestlemania main event in years. Normally it's Wrestler A and Wrestler B think they're better than the other.or screwing someone out of the titles month before. For the first time in ages WWE are actually pretty solid.

Posted By: AH (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 05:42 PM

 
 
"yoo jst waite. Hulkster is gunna com in and win mania. Randy Ortn isa bad man nd he deserves to git the big boote and elbow bruther.
PS - Rob McNew is no Larry Csonka. More larry less of the bad mn pleeze.
Posted By: JJ"

Either this bit of typing is intentional or JJ ain't lurned ta read 2 good.


Posted By: demOcratic (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 05:53 PM

 
 
PPS - You should tell Steph to take it easy with the strap-on, if you can now stash sledgehammers up your pooper. I'm just sayin'.

Posted By: darren reed (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 01:16 AM

Best Line Ever


Posted By: Instant Classic (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 06:29 PM

 
 
To be fair, DiBiase caught the handle of the sledgehammer, not the business end. It makes sense that that wouldn't keep him out for long.

Posted By: HeartBurnKid (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 06:50 PM

 
 
This is completely unrelated to anything, but did anyone else catch that Jonatathan "The Coach" Coachman is now an ESPN Sportscenter anchor?

Posted By: The Coach (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 05:41 PM

Spring 2008 called, they want their news blip back.


Posted By: Guest#9049 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 06:50 PM

 
 
The last segment was simply art imitating life. Running is something that Randy Orton is very good at. He ran away from the USMC twice and those running skills got him dishonorably discharged(you'd think with all that life experience he could come up with something better than "IED"). Vickie Guerrero is a better heel than Randy Orton could ever dream of being.

Posted By: AndreFan (Registered)  on February 24, 2009 at 06:50 PM

 
 
There's a simple way to live with Vickie Guerrero. Grab a bottle of your favorite booze, and do a shot for every EXCUSE ME!! You should be shitfaced rather quickly and it will make the show slightly more enjoyable. It's win/win.

Posted By: Common Sense (Registered)  on February 24, 2009 at 06:56 PM

 
 
Yes, that's something great to teach the children....If you aren't built like Cena or have a foxy body like Melina then you shouldn't be employed...you..are...retarded! Let's discriminate against overweight people? What is...3rd grade??? I think Vickie's last name should be a testament to how great her character is! She is absolutely DESPISED but was married to a hall of famer that so many idolize! I think that's incredible

Posted By: Erik (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 02:47 PM

Didn't Big Viscera get a stern talking to because of his OVERWEIGHT problem?? Am I am a retard!?! You consider only that vicki is annoying and despised aside from the fact that she was in a wheelchair to mask the huge thighs.

WHO THE HELL SAID ANYTHING BOUT JOHN CENA there sunshine?? Did i mention who is fit and who is not. No. You sir are a douche bag, instead of incriminating yourself look at the facts before you type, have a cupcake with your tea little boy blue!

Posted By: guest1228 (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 03:38 PM

Hahaha oh man....that was lame..thank you sir! You are comparing an over 500 pound man to a 200 pound woman...one of them being an active wrestler and SHOULD keep in shape...if anything, Vickie has LOST weight since she has been around...
And I mentioned Cena because you are saying that we should promote to children how we should look...yes that's right, i AM able to say certain things even if you didn't mention it...it's called a thought...you should try finding some :) peace


Posted By: Erik (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 07:13 PM

 
 
VINTAGE JOHN CENA!

Posted By: Michael Cole (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 07:44 PM

 
 
The show fell surrisingly flat considering it's building to Wrestlemania.

The opening segment was good. Jericho/Steamboat was okay, although Steamboat seemed to fall a little flat on the mic. Ending segemnt was wtf, it felt like some cheesy chase out of a horror movie or something.


Posted By: Guest#2316 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 07:47 PM

 
 
I hope somehow Jamie Noble gets into the Money in the Bank Match and can actually show how good he really is.

Terrible that the IC title is not being defended at WM25...just as bad as it will be if the U.S. Title is not and the soon to be Unified Tag team titles are not.


Posted By: DCFlash (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 10:42 PM

 
 
I'm hoping this Jericho angle will lead to Ultimate Warrior returning just so Jericho can bury his ass.

Posted By: master hand (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 11:50 PM

 
 
uhh it was worse than that are you this much of a wwe shill that youy can't see straight?

Posted By: Guest#0035 (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 12:29 AM

I'm not the original poster, but I am a fan of pro wrestling for 20+ years who just watched his first wrestling program in three months, and I enjoyed the segment.

Guess that makes me a WWE shill. I'm absolutely heartbroken that I'm viewed as a lesser man in the eyes of a such a self-righteous and self-important nerd like yourself.


Posted By: Guest#7078 (Guest)  on February 25, 2009 at 03:10 AM

 
 
Rhodes is going now where legacy will break up after mania anyway as orton is going to lose against trip. But i think they are going to be calling up DH smith to add to legacy as there enforcer to replace Manu

Posted By: Rob (Guest)  on February 25, 2009 at 01:02 PM

 
 
The last segment was simply art imitating life. Running is something that Randy Orton is very good at. He ran away from the USMC twice and those running skills got him dishonorably discharged(you'd think with all that life experience he could come up with something better than "IED"). Vickie Guerrero is a better heel than Randy Orton could ever dream of being.

Posted By: AndreFan (Registered


this coming from a dipshit thats a fan of a person who in his entire career never performed 1 actual wrestling move. as for his promo skills has anyone since the dawn of time ever understood 1 word the man said?


Posted By: andre sux his fans swallow (Guest)  on February 25, 2009 at 06:20 PM

 
 
this coming from a dipshit thats a fan of a person who in his entire career never performed 1 actual wrestling move. as for his promo skills has anyone since the dawn of time ever understood 1 word the man said?

Posted By: andre sux his fans swallow (Guest) on February 25, 2009 at 06:20 PM

Actually, I would like to suggest you do some research before spouting off. You apparently never took the time to research Andre's early career when he was the top draw for close to 20 years and wrestling all over the world, including Japan.

Andre would actually take multiple volunteers from the audience and beat them. Andre used several actual wrestling moves throughout his career, I will list a few for your education: elbow drop, standing splash, sitting splash, body slam, boot to the face(all the big men do it now), samoan drop, gorilla press slam as well as a variation of the tombstone piledriver(and that is not even all his moves).

By my count that is more than Randy Orton has. His matches consist of stomp/punch, kick while down, rko out of nowhere(and afterwards, a cheap shot punt to the skull).

Also, I have never had any trouble understanding when Andre spoke. Perhaps my comprehension skills are just better than yours? In 20 years, no one outside of a wrestling fan will remember the name Randy Orton, but people all over the world will always remember The 8th Wonder of the World, Andre The Giant.


Posted By: AndreFan (Registered)  on February 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM

 
 
If I went to the local hotel bars after a show in my area,would I be able to fuck Vicky? Because it must get lonely on the road and I totally would plow the shit out of her.

Posted By: Guest#4116 (Guest)  on February 26, 2009 at 07:13 PM

 
 
roll of the dice is the overdrive/testdrive, the move Knox uses is the Shellshock

Posted By: chris (Guest)  on March 01, 2009 at 08:01 PM

 
 
I'll pretty much watch any piece of shit WWE puts out and call it gold. Because otherwise I'd feel like I wasted my time watching it, and we can't have that now can we?

Posted By: All of the 411 Geeks (Guest) on February 23, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Single greatest 411 comment EVER!!!
Well played sir!


Posted By: Chilly McFreeze (Guest)  on March 01, 2009 at 09:18 PM

 


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