Reviews From The City of Orange: Clash of the Champions II - June 8, 1988
Posted by Mike Campbell on 06.26.2009
Miami Mayhem!
CLASH OF THE CHAMPIONS II
June 8, 1988
There seems to be this popular belief that in the 1980's all you’d find in the WWF was a bunch of silly gimmicks and little to no good wrestling. The NWA was the place to watch, because it was this magical world full of great wrestling. Well get ready, folks, because I’m about to shatter that illusion.
Barry Windham . . . will (rightly) go down in history as one of the best of all time, but even he can have an off-night.
Al Perez . . . looks very good, but isn’t able to have a watchable match with Nikita Koloff.
Dusty Rhodes . . . does a fraction of the work that the rest of the roster does, but still gets the biggest pop of the night.
Barry’s use of the figure four (with Dillon’s assistance) was good for getting the crowd worked up, but it didn’t take the match anywhere. I don’t know why he chose the figure four considering that it’s Flair’s finisher and it didn’t do much to slow down Armstrong. He’d have been better served to use an abdominal stretch with Dillon’s help, it’d get the same heat and he’s not diminishing an established finisher. The finish, with Barry rolling through Brad’s body press and putting on the claw, comes off very nice, as long as one doesn’t stop to ponder why Brad would try for something when it didn’t work five seconds before.
After a whole one wrestling match, we’re taking a break from this wrestling TV show to showcase a bunch of interviews and pre taped segments. The only one that’s worth mentioning is Lex Luger arriving in a limo and being attacked and left laying by the Four Horsemen.
RONNIE GARVIN/JIMMY GARVIN vs. MIKE ROTUNDO/RICK STEINER
And now it’s three for three in the disappointing match department. The match is just a convenient backdrop for the Kevin Sullivan/Previous angle (neither of which is involved in this match). The camera constantly cuts to show them staring at each other and Sullivan taunting her, and Sullivan begging her for the key to the cage that he’s locked inside. The match itself isn’t horrible, because nobody is as bad the Sheepherders, but it’s not very engaging either. There’s a good stretch early on with Ronnie trying to tag, and the Varsity Club keeps causing the ref to miss it, but Jimmy’s tag isn’t a hot tag, and they just keep plodding along. The Garvins win when Jimmy pins Steiner, but the camera misses it due to being on Sullivan and Precious, it appears to be from some kind of cradle. Thankfully there’s another crazy angle afterwards, this time with Sullivan grabbing Precious and trying to choke the life out of her, and with Jimmy and Ronnie unable to help, Doc makes the save.
AL PEREZ vs. NIKITA KOLOFF
This is mostly just eleven minutes of filler until Larry Zybyzsko runs in and attacks Nikita for the disqualification. Perez looked pretty good at times, especially his method of blocking and eventually countering the sunset flip. Koloff also takes a few nice bumps on the floor which leads to Perez working the back over for a little bit. Nikita almost tanks it and blocks Perez’s suplex into the ring, before common sense prevails and he takes the suplex and allows Perez to work the back. Nikita makes the comeback before the match can get too interesting though, and then Larry hits the ring for the DQ and the heels leave Nikita laying. What the point of this was is beyond me, it didn’t lead to anything at the upcoming Great American Bash PPV, it didn’t lead to a feud between Nikita and Larry over the Western States Heritage Title, and there doesn’t appear to be any sort of notable blowoff on a major show, so it seems like a bit of a waste.
The 411: This isn’t just a step down from the first Clash of Champions, this is like going from the penthouse to the outhouse. You can safely skip this show. There’s nothing worth going out of your way for
wwe bias comes againg I rembered this clash. Armstrong and Windam is a very good match. The Dusty/Sting Arn/Tully tag match is a classic. They were warm towards a great feud. Know something about other wresting instead of your 90's wwe attuide era ok. NWA /JCP was the best this site is nothing but wwe kiss assers.
Posted By: EK187 (Guest) on June 26, 2009 at 03:52 PM
Sheesh, EK187; it's idiots like you who give wrestling fans a bad name. Your response makes little to no sense at all, and its littered with typos and bad sentence structure. I can't even bear to let my love for this sport be known in most circles because I don't want to run the risk of being lumped in with morons like you. Do us all a favor and just quit watching, or at least don't tell anyone that you do, you blithering fool.
Posted By: Ashamed. (Guest) on June 26, 2009 at 04:53 PM
What trying to say people who write for this site do not know nothing about crockett wresting from the 80's. I been watching wresting since 1984. Iknow what I'm talking about brother!! I seen every clash , great american bash and etc. People like you and other, wwe fan boys talk down on tuner wresting the best program ever. All the attuide era was old crockett rehash angles that today's fans cannot understand. wwe is unwatacble today just like it was in the early 90's it just sucks. Only when they took the wcw young talent from the 90's when it was a good show bitch. What i was trying to say in my orginal post was that windam did not have great conders for his belt at the time , but he put on average matches with them. Dusty / Sting was going to have a angle with tully , arn before they went to the wwf in 89 trick as bitch Ashamed!!!
Posted By: ek187 (Guest) on June 26, 2009 at 07:54 PM
The problem with the review of the main event is, for whatever stupid reason, Campbell hates Sting, probably because he is part of TNA.
Posted By: Wow (Guest) on June 26, 2009 at 08:28 PM
EK187, please follow the advice of Ashamed and refrain from talking about wrestling. Between your well thought-out arguments and your grasp of the English language you sound less like someone watching since 1984 and more like someone born in 1994.
So was Barry/Brad very good? Or was it just average since Barry had bad challengers and only had average matches?
Funny how Tully and Arn were right in the middle of a hot (and money drawing) program with the Midnight Express when they left, so when was the big program with Dusty and Sting going to happen?
Wow, you're still a moron.
Posted By: Mike Campbell (Registered) on June 26, 2009 at 09:37 PM
You didn't shatter anything, Junior. I grew up on Crockett, and yes, it was the magical land of wrestling. To make an in-ring comparison between the WWF and NWA in the 80s is a joke. Any promotion can have an off night. Please tell me about the 5 star matches that Hulk Hogan,Volkoff, Beefcake, Bundy, Andre, Hercules, and Outback Jack were having during this same time frame. Geez, I'm through with this ignorant site.
Posted By: Brad K. (Guest) on June 26, 2009 at 11:39 PM
right after their feud with the midnight express. It was going to be tully /arn and sting/ dusty rhodes. instead of the road warrios and rhodes /sting. right before starrcade , or before mr. campbell.
Posted By: ek 187 (Guest) on June 27, 2009 at 02:20 AM
Brad, You missed the point of the comment. I wasn't implying that the WWF was where all the classics were. Aside from Hart Foundation/Rougeau Bros, I'm at a loss for any combo that might be able to put on something worthy of standing alongside the NWA's better efforts.
The point is that the NWA in the '80's was just as capable of putting on a bad show. Which is what this was.
Posted By: Mike Campbell (Registered) on June 27, 2009 at 06:00 AM
The show did serve one big purpose, in that it hyped up Flair-Luger at the Bash. I also thought Windham-Armstrong was a decent match. But this show was more like an episode of Nitro. Bunch of filler matches, and a DQ finish in the Main Event. But again, good build for Flair-Luger. Luger should've gone over at the Bash. I know we can't criticize Flair because he's Flair and all, but I will never understand the point of burying Luger and making him out to be a chump who chokes in the main event.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on June 27, 2009 at 10:35 AM
I think 411 has jumped the fucking shark with all its pre-pubescent writers for whom wrestling history began with the advent of the Attitude Era.
Just so you know junior, Zbyszko ran in for Perez because they were stable mates.
Now I get the fact that you're a spot-monkey and headlocks have no place in wrestling (WTF?), but some of us actually like some storytelling in our wrestling and for my money Jim Crockett's NWA was the best.
Posted By: Ronny (Guest) on June 27, 2009 at 12:44 PM
EK187
Maybe instead of watching so much wrestling you might try taking a course in basic English. Every time you say something you look like a goddamned retard.
Posted By: chucky (Guest) on June 27, 2009 at 02:57 PM
Popular belief is that Flair felt Lex wasn't ready to be on top, which might have been true. I know Flair held off dropping it in 1990 because he wanted to drop it to Sting to finish off the angle started at Clash X.
Ronny, I'm aware of the Perez/Zybyzsko connection. What I didn't understand was why they chose to run the angle here when it wasn't leading up to anything major.
As far as your other ignorant comments, it's clear you've probably read very little, if anything else, of what I've reviewed.
Posted By: Mike Campbell (Registered) on June 27, 2009 at 05:19 PM
This has nothing to do with the article or the writer... just the point that 411 isn't going to get many 30 somethings to write on this site for free... all you guys complaining about the NWA not getting a voice on this site don't realize that those of us old enough to remember it have jobs, families, and lives outside of this site. Taking the time out to pontificate upon wrestling from 20 years ago just isn't possible, and therefore that voice that you all crave just isn't going to be there. All (free) wrestling sites have the same problem. The writers are going to be high school/college kids with free time to kill who need an avenue to put some words on the screen. They're aspiring writers who take this opportunity to hone their craft. Complaining about the NWA not having a voice isn't going to get the NWA a voice.
But I bet if you quit your whining and dusted off that old tape collection, and started sending in reviews from the perspective of someone who watched it live... Larry will post it. And then, instead of being part of the problem (troll), you'd be part of the solution.
Posted By: Rollz... (Guest) on June 27, 2009 at 06:46 PM
Dude, fuck that shit. I understand the point you were trying to make. Judging from a LOT of the comments I've read on this site since they added comments, there's a large number of people who visit this site that either have nothing better to do than troll or hate on something; or are borderline retarded. No offense to anyone that may have a disability but there are some idiots on here. I really dont leave that many comments, but I read a lot and some of you guys make me feel ashamed to be following wrestling for as long as I have. Enough of that, Campbell your columns entertain me so you're good in my book. Keep it up kid
Posted By: amusing comments (Guest) on June 27, 2009 at 08:22 PM
I understood where you were coming from Campbell
People are just really angry here for some reason
Posted By: Kent Baker (Guest) on June 28, 2009 at 05:35 PM
Mike... totally understand 1990. Sting was the one being built, and having Flair job it to anyone other than Sting wouldn't make sense. But looking back, I find it hard to beleive that Crockett would've been worse off with the hot young Luger with a little title run. You could've easily hot shotted it back to Flair at Starrcade that year. I just think that it was a failure on managements (and flair) part to not see that. Contrary to what most think, Luger was a damn fine worker pre-accident in 1992.
Posted By: gwpbrian (Guest) on June 28, 2009 at 08:55 PM
He also apparently had no idea why Precious or Sullivan were involved in the garvins match does anyone want to fill him in?
Posted By: Guest#0871 (Guest) on June 30, 2009 at 01:34 AM
"This has nothing to do with the article or the writer... just the point that 411 isn't going to get many 30 somethings to write on this site for free... all you guys complaining about the NWA not getting a voice on this site don't realize that those of us old enough to remember it have jobs, families, and lives outside of this site. Taking the time out to pontificate upon wrestling from 20 years ago just isn't possible, and therefore that voice that you all crave just isn't going to be there. All (free) wrestling sites have the same problem. The writers are going to be high school/college kids with free time to kill who need an avenue to put some words on the screen. They're aspiring writers who take this opportunity to hone their craft. Complaining about the NWA not having a voice isn't going to get the NWA a voice.
But I bet if you quit your whining and dusted off that old tape collection, and started sending in reviews from the perspective of someone who watched it live... Larry will post it. And then, instead of being part of the problem (troll), you'd be part of the solution."
if 411 would let me, and send me the tapes to review, ild love to be that 30 something that reviews 80s nwa matches. i used to have all of these clashes and ppv, but gave them away years ago after wcw fell. i could be the voice of the nwa fame from a persons point of view who grew up watching it. hook me up with some tapes! ill write.
Posted By: flair1111 (Guest) on July 01, 2009 at 11:52 PM