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From the Bowery: WrestleMania VIII
Posted by Robert Leighty Jr. on 02.24.2009



From the Bowery: WrestleMania VIII
-Indianapolis, IN
-April 7, 1992

-Ric Flair joined the WWF right before SummerSlam, and the common thought was that this show would be the culmination of a Hogan/Flair feud. It was the dream match of all time, and seemed like a sure money maker. Flair won the vacated WWF Title at the 92 Rumble, and the question became who is the #1 contender? The WWF made a big deal and had a press conference with Jack Tunney to name the man who would get the Mania title shot. Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Roddy Piper, the Undertaker, and Sid were the 5 men at the press conference, and as expected, Hogan was given the nod. However, Hogan vs. Flair was never the end destination, as Hogan decided he wanted to retire and head to Hollywood to make movies. So, the backup plan was set in motion at that same press conference. Sid figured he would be named the #1 contender and when he wasn’t he became a tweener and soon turned on Hogan to set up that Mania match. It was then built up as Hogan’s retirement match.

-The WWF Title picture was soon cleared up when Ric Flair started making claims that Liz was his before she was with Savage. There were photos in the WWF magazine of Liz with Flair, and just like that we had a title match with a heated story. What made it even greater was that Flair and Perfect promised to show the not safe for work pictures on the big screen at the Hoosier Dome during Mania. Sadly, that never materialized, but it gave Bobby Heenan a lot of material to use during the broadcast.

-The other 2 men that were finalists for the #1 contender spot (Piper and Taker) each got a marquee match on the card. Piper was the IC champ after defeating the Mountie at the Rumble. Bret Hart, who lost the title to the Mountie, became the #1 challenger, and we had a face vs. face match set for Mania.

-Taker turned from heel to face when he stopped Jake Roberts from blasting Liz with a chair (the culmination of the awesome Savage/Roberts feud) and just like that we have another match for Mania.

-Those would be the 4 marquee matches for the show, and it worked ok as the Hoosier Dome made for an interesting atmosphere, even if it wasn’t completely full. It’s still an impressive crowd.

-Reba McIntyre has the honor of singing the National Anthem.

Shawn Michaels (w/ Sherri) vs. Tito Santana

-Tito greets Reba as he leaves and that gives Heenan the chance to call her Tito’s sister, Ariba. Classic! Shawn is fresh off tossing Marty through the barbershop window, and was starting his push as a singles wrestler. Monsoon and Heenan are already putting Shawn over as the next man inline for an IC Title shot. The bell rings way before Shawn is ready and we get 90 seconds before any contact is made. Tito ducks a clothesline and drops Shawn with a cross body. Tito works a side headlock, but Shawn breaks with rights and lefts. Shawn grabs the top rope to keep from taking a shot to the mouth, so Tito clotheslines him over the top and to the floor. Shawn jaws with the crowd, and Tito pulls him back inside with another side headlock. Shawn breaks by backing Tito into the corner and delivering some shoulders to the midsection. They exchange some punches, and it results in Tito going back to the side headlock. That work some near falls off that before Shawn tries to break, but Tito rolls through and keeps the hold. This gives Heenan the chance to tell the story where he made a guy give up during instructions. Have I mentioned that I love Bobby Heenan? Shawn finally finds an effective way of breaking the side headlock: simply tossing Tito over the top rope to the floor. Shawn hits a botched backbreaker and that gets a 2 count. He goes to a reverse chinlock and that kind of gets the crowd behind Tito. He is able to break but runs right into what we be know as Sweet Chin Music today. Shawn doesn’t go for the cover as that wasn’t his finished at the time. Tito fires back with the flying jalapeno and that sends Michaels to the floor. Tito slingshots back into the ring on to Shawn (called the flying burrito by Heenan). Tito hits the extra paste picante (again called by Heenan) and that also sends Shawn to the floor. Tito tries to suplex him back in the ring, but Shawn grabs the top rope and is able to fall back on Tito for the pin at 10:39.

Winner: Shawn Michaels via pin @ 10:39
-This started slow with all the headlock and chinlock work, but that hit a nice groove towards the end. Sadly, it was cut off just as it got going. Still, this was a good opener, and it was a needed win for Shawn as he made his way up the card. **1/2

-Gene brings out the Legion of Doom and they bring Paul Ellering with them. The crowd was jacked for this, but it didn’t have the desired effect everyone had hoped. Instead LOD went back to their roots and recover a doll they would use for inspiration. Such bad asses, though I wouldn’t be the one to tell Hawk he can’t play with dolls. Good interview from the LOD here though.

The Undertaker (w/ Paul Bearer) vs. Jake “the Snake” Roberts

-Jake said in his DVD that he told Vince before the match that he would not go out for this match unless he was given his release. He made sure to state he didn’t pull a Warrior and hold Vince up for money, but he wanted his release so he could go to WCW…where they were going to pay him more money. He did say that he would have gone out no matter what, but Vince didn’t know that. Taker gets a pretty sizeable pop from the crowd. This was seemingly a natural feud, and was also a kind of passing of the torch. Taker stalks Jake early, so he sticks and moves. That has little effect, and it shows on Jake’s face. Taker gets sent over the top, but lands on his feet and he pulls Jake to the floor. He sends Roberts into the post, and they head back into the ring. Jake continues to punch away and it seems to have a little more effect this time. That doesn’t last long and now Jake takes a couple shots. Taker chokes away in the corner, and even the ref won’t make him break. Heenan: “You know how Bearer got that urn? The old fashion way, he earned it.” Classic! Taker continues to choke the life out of Jake, and the ref won’t even try to break things. The diving clothesline gets a good pop and Jake is just taking a beating at this point. He is able to hit a DDT out of nowhere and the crowd is stunned. Jake thinks it is over and so does Heenan, but Taker sits up and Jake shits himself. He regroups and hits the short arm clothesline, but again Taker rises. He hits another DDT and makes the mistake of going after Paul. Taker sits up again, and kills Jake with a tombstone on the floor. Damn! He tosses him back in the ring and gets the easy pin at 6:40. In a fun bit ot trivia, Taker was the only man on this show to win his with a finisher.

Winner: The Undertaker via pin from tombstone on the floor @ 6:40
-Guess this was Vince’s way of saying have fun in WCW. Just a total burial here as Taker even got to basically no sell the DDT…twice. It was a fun squash though, and just another step in putting Taker over as the man in the WWF. *1/4

-Gene interviews Piper and Hart together. Piper is all about having fun out there and reminiscing, while Hart is all business.

Intercontinental Title: Roddy Piper © vs. Bret Hart

-After watching the Piper DVD I have a new appreciation for how Piper thinks about his matches. He stated all his previous always started with him just going like a crazy man because he never had anything to lose. This match he was the champion and he started things slower because he finally had something to lose. The ref goes over the instructions while the two men stare each other down. Piper starts the match slowly and actually uses basic wrestling to get things going. They lock-up for a second time and now Hart sends Piper to the mat with an arm drag. Piper uses some more amateur moves but gets dumped to the floor and now he is pissed. Hart shoves him, so Piper responds by spitting on Hart. A test of strength next and they work counters off that for a bit. Hart won’t let go, so Piper resorts to using the Hitman’s hair. That still isn’t enough though as Hart won’t let go of the arm. A dropkick from Hart, but he hurts his shoulder on the way down. Heenan says he is goldbricking, and before Monsoon can finish telling him there’s no way Bret would do that, Hart snaps right up and gets a small package for two. He is the Brain you know. Piper is seriously pissed and slaps the maple syrup out of Bret’s mouth. Both men hit the floor off a cross body, and Piper actually opens the ropes to let back in. Sure a good sport. Of course he tells Bret his boot is untied and suckers him in the mouth when Bret drops his head. That is so awesome. Piper hits a swank bulldog as Bret is bleeding all over the canvas. Bleeding was a big no-no at the time, so Bret lied and said he was split open legit. Vince bought his lie, but didn’t believe someone else on the card. Hart gets a sunset flip for a two count, but still doesn’t have much in the tank. Piper uses his boxing background to drop Hart, and then both men slug away in the center of the ring. Heenan thinks Piper should hit Hart with the bell. Hmm! Both men are out in the center of the ring, but Piper is first to his feet. For some reason Piper heads to the top, and Hart was suckering him in again. Piper gets dropped face first from the top rope, and we get the 5 Moves of Doom in succession. He goes for the sharpshooter, but Piper is able to block, so the Hitman kills him with an elbow. He tries the second rope elbow, but Piper gets the boot up. They trade punches again, but are swinging from their knees. The ref gets creamed in the melee, and both men hit the floor. Piper sends Hart into the steps and fires him back in the ring. He does grab the bell (as Heenan predicted earlier), and the crowd is freaking out. The old Piper would have blasted Hart and walked away with the title. This is the new pussy Hot Rod, and he has second thoughts. He should take Heenan’s advice: What the hell use the bell! Piper tosses the bell away and locks in the sleeper. Hart walks up the buckles and kicks off to roll onto Piper for the pin @ 13:51. Piper said in his DVD that he was still in control of the hold and the ref should have checked Hart’s arm to see if it would drop three times and then counted his shoulders. I think he was joking, but I’m not sure. Piper helps sell the idea that Bret was split legit by asking for a towel.

Winner and New IC Champ: Bret Hart via pin @ 13:51
-The greatest match you will ever see from Piper and a damn fine match from Hart too. It was nice to see Piper in a wrestling match for a change, and it showed that when needed he could hang in the ring. This was another step up the rung for Hart. ****

-Heenan introduces (via split screen) the newest member of the WBF, Lex Luger. This was Vince’s World Bodybuilding Federation, and needless to say it didn’t last very long.

-We get promos for the two teams involved in the upcoming 8 man tag. Just more time waster here. Mountie continually screaming “tell ‘em champ” was pretty funny though.

The Nasty Boys, The Repo Man, & The Mountie (w/ Jimmy Hart) vs. “Hacksaw” Jim Duggan, Virgil, The Big Bossman, & Sgt. Slaughter

-All 8 men are already in the ring, and Ray Combs (host of Family Feud) gets to introduce the 8 men. Combs breaks out jokes on the heel team and they chase him off. Not particularly funny, but the crowd seemed to enjoy it. All 8 men brawl and it’s just a jumbled mess. The hells bail to the floor, except the Repo Man, who gets killed by Team Duggan. Heenan informs us that Shawn Michaels has left the building. That was always a great touch on his character at the time. Things settle down and Saggs jumps Duggan in mid ho. Hate when that happens to me. Slaughter gets tagged in and Knobbs joins him. There’s just a lot of punching and not much else of note. Slaughter tags in the Bossman and thankfully he has more to offer than punching. Sure, it’s only a big boot, but it’s something. Repo Man gets tagged in and we get the Police Officer vs. the Car Jacker storyline the world has waited for. You can have your Christians vs. the Lions (and this year I would take anyone over the Lions), but give me Bossman vs. Repo any day of the week. Virgil becomes your ex-man servant in peril, and Duggan tries to rally the crowd with a USA chant. Nastyville must be in Panama somewhere. Everyone jumps back in the ring, and soon some brawl on the floor also. Saggs tries to blast Virgil with a belt buckle, but hits Knobbs instead. Virgil gets the cover and pin @ 6:31.

Winners: Team Hacksaw via Virgil pinning Knobbs @ 6:31
-Not sure what the point was and it didn’t even have the added benefit of what huge tag matches have today where it ends with each man firing off finisher after finisher. 1/2*

-Flair and Perfect give a tremendous promo with the center-fold of Liz. Flair promises her one more ride on Space Mountain.

-Gene stands outside Savage’s locker as he is in no mood for talking.

WWF Title: Ric Flair © (w/ Mr. Perfect) vs. “Macho Man” Randy Savage

-If you want to listen to some of the most awesome biased announcing in your live, just listen to Heenan during this match. Only thing that has come close to topping this was Heyman during the Main Event of Survivor Series 2001. Savage sprints to the ring, and looks to kill Flair, but he bails. He chases Flair down the aisle and starts rubbing his face into the floor. Perfect grabs Savage by the hair and pulls him back to the ring. They head back into the ring and we got some chops early, but Savage gets a clothesline. He knees Flair into the corner and starts pounding away with some rights. Flair misses an inverted atomic drop, and Savage drops him with another clothesline. Savage takes a huge fucking bump as he is back dropped over the top to the floor. Flair goes out to meet him and rams him back first into the ring apron. For those wondering: the crowd hates Flair. He continues to work the back as they head into the ring. Flair hits a delayed suplex (showing some power), but it only gets a two count. A nice side suplex gets another two count while Heenan screams to see the pictures of the big screen. Savage gets tossed from corner to corner to continue the damage to the back. Flair drops a knee to the head, and sends Savage to the floor. He rams Savage into the apron again as he has focused all his energy on the back at this point. Flair brings Savage back into the ring with another delayed suplex, but again it only gets a two count. Flair argues with the ref and it would have been a nice touch if Hebnar would have shoved him. The crowd is getting restless with the beating Savage is taking, and is just begging for any signs of life from Macho. He responds by firing away with rights and countering a backdrop attempt with a reverse neckbreaker. The rights continue to flow, but a well timed thumb to the eye kills that. Flair heads up top, and you can guess what happens next. Now the crowd is back as Flair begs. Savage is having none of that and drops Flair with numerous clotheslines. Flair takes the flip in the corner, and runs the apron to the top rope. He comes off, but Savage catches him with a clothesline with a hot near fall. The crowd is pissed about that one. Flair hits the floor and Savage comes off the top with the double axe to send Flair into the railing head first. That’s where Flair blades, and Heenan is in tears. This is just so awesome. Savage continues the ass kicking on the floor, and beats Flair into the ring so he can beat on him some more. A double axe from the top gets another hot two count, and the crowd is even more pissed than last time. Savage heads to the top again, and drops the flying elbow. Perfect has the balls to pull Savage out of the ring to break the count. The crowd and Monsoon want to kill Perfect at this point. Perfect slips Flair some brass knux, and Savage gets waffled. He is able to kick out at two, and Flair has lost his mind. He pounds away and then just starts choking the life out of Savage. Perfect shows he can be an even bigger dick as he grabs a chair and blasts Savage in the knee. Liz finally makes her way to the ring, and a rather young Shane McMahon tries to talk her out of it. Savage’s knee is gone and that’s blood in the water for Flair. The crowd has gone insane at this point, and even after seeing this match over a 100 times, I’m still marking out. Flair locks in the figure four, and naturally he gets an assist from Perfect. Those two were made to work together. The officials give up on trying to get Liz to the back and leave her alone. Savage turns the hold, but Perfect even attempts to stop that. In a wink-wink moment to the Savage/Steamboat match, Savage gets a small package off a slam attempt, but Flair is able to kick out at two. Flair takes time to flirt with Liz between chops. That’s a real champ there. Flair crushes Savage’s knee with a knee breaker, but makes the mistake of giving one too many Woo’s to Liz. Out of nowhere Savage blocks a punch and rolls Flair up with a handful of trunks to get the win and title @ 18:03. Heenan bails the announce booth to go be with Flair. Things get even crazier now as Flair confronts Liz and gives her a kiss. She fires back by slapping him, and Savage is all “That’s my Kool-Aid, bitch” and dives on Flair. He is outnumbered though and gets the shit kicked out of him by Flair and Savage. The crowd chants for Hogan, but he’s on the phone negotiating his Mr. Nanny movie deal. Officials finally separate everyone, but Savage (still selling the knee) wants to fight. The Fink finally makes the announcement and he does so in grand style. Savage gets a proper celebration with nobody else in the spotlight (outside of Liz), and it’s a pretty awesome moment.

Winner and New WWF Champion: Randy Savage via roll-up @ 18:03
-This is just an awesome match, and one of my Top 10 Favorite Matches of all time. These two men were made to feud and the story with Liz and the actions of Perfect made this even better. They had some good to great matches in WCW, but nothing came close to this. Again, I don’t need 20 variations of a slam or cartwheels added to elbows to entertain me. ****3/4 Minus the 1/4* because Flair never showed the centerfold on the big screen.

-Flair, Perfect, and Heenan give a fantastic interview where they harp on Savage using a handful of trunks. What’s great is that they don’t even want to hear about the epic cheating done by Perfect throughout the match.

-Savage with Liz and still selling the knee give their equally awesome interview with Gene. Savage only got a piece, and still wants more of the Nature Boy. The Title was nice and all, but Flair kissed Liz and now Savage is doubly pissed, which is saying something. This interview basically shows meet that Randy Savage is God!

”The Model” Rick Martel vs. Tatanka

-Monsoon wastes no time in rubbing the loss into Heenan’s face. The crowd is pretty much burnt out after that last match, and I feel sorry for these two. Again, fashion model vs. Native American seems like such a natural feud. Should have made billions off this feud alone. Martel works Tatanka over in the corner, but eats a few slams and decided to bail to the floor. Heenan and Monsoon are absolutely awesome as they ignore the match for the first few minutes. Heenan actually challenges Monsoon to a fight, which Gorilla naturally laughs off. Heenan regroups though and starts with the Native American jokes. Martel controls with a choke, and sends Tatanka over the top rope to the floor. Monsoon keeps calling Rick Martel, Ric Flair. The crowd just doesn’t care about this match, and Heenan uses a joke that eventually ended up on the Simpsons. And no, I am not saying they stole it off him. Martel gets dropped on his balls and Tatanka takes control. He uses various stereo typical Native American wrestling holds (chops, and more chops), but Martel is able to regain the advantage. Things end rather quickly when Tatanka ducks a clothesline and gets a cross body for the pin @ 4:30.

Winner: Tatanka via pin from cross body @ 4:30
-Nothing match, and just something to follow the awesomeness of Flair/Savage. 1/2*

-Interviews from Money Inc. and the Natural Disasters.

WWF Tag Titles: Money Inc. (w/ Jimmy Hart) vs. The Natural Disasters

-For those who don’t know Money Inc. would be Dibiase and I.R.S. and the Disasters would be Earthquake and Typhoon. I sense a contrast in styles here. The story is that Hart managed the Disasters, but turned on them at a show and cost them the tag titles against Money Inc. Now the Disasters are pissed and not only want their titles back, but also want to kill Jimmy. Heenan calls a lady in the front row with a Natural Disasters sign a bimbo and I nearly choke on my dinner. Things start out with Quake and Dibiase, and again, it’s a contrast in styles. Ted gets tossed around a bunch, and for some reason keeps trying to lock up with the big man. He tries a hammerlock, but that doesn’t go very well. He talks things over with IRS, and must have been useful because he buries a knee in Quake’s fat gut. Things don’t last long as Quake drops both of them, and Typhoon joins in to send the heels bailing to the floor. I.R.S. works an arm wringer, but it gets quickly reversed and Typhoon gets the tag. He powers IRS down, and then bounces his head of the buckle for a count of ten. A blind charge misses, and Dibiase tags in to take advantage. He throws some chops, but it doesn’t last long. Ted finally gets an advantage when Typhoon gets dumped over the top rope to the floor. I.R.S. rams his head into the stairs and now Typhoon is your fat man in peril. The double team the bag man and the crowd is pretty apathetic. Except for the lone female screaming, “Come on Tugboat.” Dibiase and Typhoon clothesline each other, and the tags are made to each of their partners. Quake is a house of fire as it were, and all 4 men enter the ring. Dibiase gets clothesline to the floor and I.R.S eats a splash from Typhoon. Quake starts the tremors, but Jimmy pulls him out of ring before the splash. The champs have had enough and decide to talk a walk with their titles. The Disasters get the count-out win, but no titles @ 8:41.

Winners: The Natural Disasters via count-out @ 8:41
-Not good at all, and a pretty crappy ending. The crowd was still burnt out from Flair/Savage, and only heat generated from this was for the screwjob ending. 1/4*

Owen Hart vs. Skinner

-Skinner gets the jobber entrance that so, so many got at WrestleMania VII. He spits his chewing tobacco in Owen’s face, and hits a slop drop (scorpion death drop) for a two count. Owen skins the cat, and rolls up Skinner for the pin @ 1:09. Owen drop kicks him out of the ring after the match.

Winner: Owen Hart via pin from roll-up @ 1:09
-They must have been running short on time and better take it from this match instead of Hogan/Sid. The Scorpion Death Drop gets the rating. 1/2*

-Gene interviews Sid and he guarantees that this will be Hogan’s last match. We see video footage of Vince asking Hogan if this is his last match. Hogan says he just doesn’t know until he comes out of the ring. Sid curses Hogan and every Hulk-a-maniac. Wonder where he can find a guy that’s in to voodoo on such short notice?

Sid Justice (w/ Dr Harvey Wippleman) vs. Hulk Hogan

-Sid gets a decent reaction from the crowd. Sure he may suck as a wrestler at times, but he does carry a bad ass presence when he enters an arena. The dude just looks fucking scary, and obviously that can take you a long way in the world of pro-wrestling. The crowd still loves Hogan, and this is the first real noise they’ve made since the Flair/Savage match. Sid attacks Hogan, but he fights back while Real American continues to play, and sends him to the floor. A clothesline sends Justice back to the floor and Hogan finally tears off the shirt. He poses to the crowd, and the bell finally rings. The talk trash center ring, and Sid buries a knee in Hogan’s midsection. Sid pounds Hogan with fists and boots to drop Hogan to his knees. A loud Hogan chant rings out from the Hoosier Dome, and he responds by hammering Sid with rights. Sid talks a walk to kill the Hogan momentum. He walks over to Mark Eaton (the time keeper) and says something to him. No word if he said “ring the fucking bell.” Both men play to the crowd, and we get the test of strength. Hogan/Warrior this is not, but the crowd is still pretty pumped for it. Sid powers Hogan to his knees, and that’s about it really. The crowd brings Hogan back to his feet, but Sid is having none of that and powers him right back to his knees. Gorilla, bless his heart, tries to sell the move by stating that Hogan’s fingers are turning white. Hogan gets back to his feet, but Sid just powers him into the corner, and drives some knees. Hogan reverses a whip and clothesline Sid in the corner. Wippleman grabs Hogan’s leg and that gives Sid the chance to break out a chokeslam. That was pretty damn awesome, and it gets a monster reaction from the crowd. Sid takes time to tell the camera, “Do it to the man as the man would do it to you, but do it first.” For some reason I always remembered that saying as a kid. Sid uses Wippleman’s doctor’s bag to work the back of Hogan. He immediately forgets the back and locks in a Vulcan (go Cal!) nerve grip. That just gives both men a chance to rest once again, but again, the crowd doesn’t seem to really care about the lack of action. Hebnar checks the arm and shockingly it stays up on the third try. Sid doesn’t sweat it though and kills Hogan with a sidewalk slam. He gives Hogan his last rites, and powerbombs him in the center of the ring. Hogan kicks out at two, and now we get the Hulk-up. The usual follows, but something interesting happens: After the slam, Hogan drops the leg, and Sid kicks out at two. Wippleman covers for a late arriving Papa Shango by interfering and that draws the DQ@ 12:28. Shango finally arrives and they tie Hogan in the ropes. Sid grabs a chair and then it happens. The Warrior’s music hits and he sprints to the ring to make the save. The crowd just loses it’s fucking mind at this point, and our heroes pose to close the show.

Winner: Hulk Hogan by DQ @ 12:28
-The WWF booked themselves in a corner because they didn’t want Sid to look weak, and they didn’t want Hogan losing in what may have been his final match. Its reasons like this we have the DQ, and to make sure the crowd went home happy we get one of the biggest surprises in WrestleMania history. The match was pretty damn crappy, and was basically Sid just beating the piss out of Hogan. Seeing Hogan get tossed around by Sid was pretty damn impressive though. *

Top 5 WrestleMania Matches (at this point)

1) IC Title: Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat *****
2) Career vs Career: Randy Savage vs. The Ultimate Warrior *****
3) WWF Title: Ric Flair vs. Randy Savage ****3/4
3) WWF Title: Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan ****1/2
4) WWF Title vs IC Title: Hulk Hogan vs. The Ultimate Warrior ****1/4
5) IC Title: Roddy Piper vs. Bret Hart ****



The 411: This is one of my personal favorite WrestleManias. I know there is a lot of filler, and some crappy matches between the main matches, but the good far outweigh the bad. The WWF and IC Title matches were classics, and the Main Event was interesting to watch Sid throw Hogan all around the ring. The return of the Warrior only added to things, and the atmosphere with massive crowd and Hoosier dome made this feel like a big time show. Only WM III would rank higher up to this point.
 
Final Score:  7.5   [ Good ]  legend


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This mania was mainly about 2 matches but they were both great, the heat in the Flair-Savage match is off the charts & its just non stop action from start to finish, awesome match.

Posted By: jbardo (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:31 PM

 
 
1) IC Title: Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat *****
2) Career vs Career: Randy Savage vs. The Ultimate Warrior *****
3) WWF Title: Ric Flair vs. Randy Savage ****3/4
3) WWF Title: Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan ****1/2





Holy Hell... Savage Owns. Either he's the greatest worker or you're his biggest mark.


Posted By: Sivpac (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:33 PM

 
 
My favorite Wrestlemania, Heenan and Monsoon bringing their a-game even making Tatanka and Martel worth watching. A young Heart Break Kid taking on fan favorite Tito Santana who was loved by everyone even if he was dressed as a matador. The Undertaker taking out the Snake. The match between Hitman and Rowdy that nearly stole the show. The Ultimate Warrior coming to the aid of the Hulkster. And who could forget The Macho Man out tricking the dirtiest player in the game and not only winning the title but also restoring the honor of his wife the lovely Elizabeth

Posted By: Michael (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:53 PM

 
 
-If you want to listen to some of the most awesome biased announcing in your live, just listen to Heenan during this match. Only thing that has come close to topping this was Heyman during the Main Event of Survivor Series 2001.

How about Heenan during Royal Rumble 91 when Flair won? He goes batshit for an hour!


Posted By: Picone44 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 12:56 PM

 
 
This is indeed a two match show, but what two matches they were!

Flair vs. Savage is still one of the greatest 'Mania matches of all time and one of my favorite matches of the 90's. If anything, I think it gets overlooked by some people.

Piper vs. Hart was a classic example of the brilliant storytelling that makes Bret one of the top three wrestlers I ever saw.

Heenan's announcing at this show is fantastic as well. He was always in rare form when he was playing Flair's biggest fan and his call of "What the hell use the bell." during Piper-Hart is one of my favorite announcing calls ever.

As far as Savage goes, I think it's a combination of both. Savage was great and Leighty does appear to be a huge Savage mark (not that there's anything wrong with that!) By this point, Savage vs. Flair and Savage vs. Warrior are the top two 'Mania matches imo.

I do think he overrated Savage-Steamboat and Savage-Hogan a bit . I'd "only" give **** to the Steamboat match. And I dislike Hogan matches as a rule, with Hogan vs. Warrior being the one big exception.


Posted By: Guest#9595 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 01:05 PM

 
 
1) IC Title: Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat *****
2) Career vs Career: Randy Savage vs. The Ultimate Warrior *****
3) WWF Title: Ric Flair vs. Randy Savage ****3/4
3) WWF Title: Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan ****1/2





Holy Hell... Savage Owns. Either he's the greatest worker or you're his biggest mark.

To be fair, Savage did have some awesome WM matches. Like HBK, Savage always seemed to take things to a new level in the big show. While I think all but the Steamboat matches were overrated in terms of stars, they were all highlights for their time (and even today).

WM8 was for a while my favorite WM since III. The only thing that was bad was the pacing, as the title match should have gone last. However, given the surprise return of the Warrior, I can see why the Hogan/Sid match went on last. Bret/Piper was indeed the best match of Piper's career, and the Savage/Flair match was also a near classic. Plus, the show also served as a pretty good springboard for Michaels' solo career.

BTW, if you want to talk about all-time awesome biased commentary, Hennan calling Flair's Rumble victory is by far the best. Heenan sounds like he is going to have a stroke or a heart attack by the end of the match. Just plain awesome


Posted By: Michael L (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 01:06 PM

 
 
Some great matches plus excellent Monsoon/Heenan banter on commentary make this one a keeper.

Posted By: Nick M. (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 01:14 PM

 
 
"Holy Hell... Savage Owns. Either he's the greatest worker or you're his biggest mark.

Posted By: Sivpac (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 12:33 PM"
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Nope. He's spot on accurate. And when you add in the underrated Falls Count Anywhere Match he had with Crush at WM X (one of Brian Adams' best-ever matches), it's even more impressive.

Randy Savage has just as much of a claim to "Mr. WrestleMania" as Shawn Michaels does, perhaps more. I know that seems blasphemous, but Michaels worked with an array of talented stars during his singles run: Scott Hall, Bret Hart, Steve Austin, Chris Jericho, HHH/Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, John Cena, Ric Flair, and upcoming, The Undertaker. Not a slouch in the bunch. He carried two guys to the matches of their careers: Kevin Nash (who was criminally underrated as a worker in the mid-90s) and Vince McMahon. His lone dud was against Tito Santana, a solid wrestler who had good matches with everyone, making this match even more disappointing.

Now look at Savage: Yes, he faced Ricky Steamboat in WMIII and Flair in WMVIII and you know that everybody carried their collective weight in those matches which justifies those two being among the all-time best WM bouts. But look at the rest of Randy's WM run:

*WM2 vs. George Steele - Not a classic, but Steele was probably the most limited star of the mid-80s and Savage made it watchable if not enjoyable.
*WMV - Carries Hulk Hogan to arguably the best match of Hogan's career (and Savage didn't have to overexaggerate the effects of Hogan's offense like HBK would do 16 years later)
*WMVII - A legendary performance against one of the all-time worst in-ring stars, Ultimate Warrior. Carried Warrior to his best match ever and completely stole the show. I'm not 100% that HBK in his prime in this spot could have done as good a job.
*WMX - vs. Crush in a great prelude to WWF hardcore matches which would become a staple at the end of the decade. Another Savage gem against a one-dimensional wrestler.

Savage's duds:
*WMVI /w/ Sherri vs. Dusty Rhodes/Sapphire. You can't fault him for this one. Savage's WWF career was essentially pissed on in 1990 with awful feuds & storylines.

*WMIV vs. Reed, Valentine, OMG, DiBiase - I've often panned this show as the worst WM and with good reason. Reed worked stiff and only allowed Savage offense at the end; Valentine was uncooperative; OMG was a blob with Iron Mike Sharpe mannerisms; DiBiase put up a decent performance that was overshadowed by Hogan's entrance (big surprise).

Judging by drama, quality of the matches, and limited ability of the opposition, I think Savage's WM run is more impressive than HBK's. I'd be curious to see who can rationally argue against this.


Posted By: Jason S (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 01:17 PM

 
 
This was always one of my favorites too. Maybe it's just nostalgia, but I have very fond memories of 92.

Posted By: Hawkeye (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 01:33 PM

 
 
I attended this WrestleMania as a kid in 6th grade. It's still a great memory from my childhood.

Posted By: MDR2 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 01:48 PM

 
 
I love the fact that Savage won his 2nd title here, he deserved it! But, why does everyone question WM3 about attendance when this show CLEARLY did not have it going on. The entire upper deck was empty!! This is never brought up, um wow, what the hell?

Posted By: HvyMetalMG (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 02:22 PM

 
 
Little tidbit from the Piper/Hart match- In an interview years later, Piper says his hip took the final straw in this match. When Hart came off the turnbuckle and Roddy put his leg up to block the attack, Piper jarred his leg. The hip was pootched after that.
Fantastic match!


Posted By: FUZEY (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 02:28 PM

 
 
"He carried two guys to the matches of their careers: Kevin Nash (who was criminally underrated as a worker in the mid-90s) and Vince McMahon."

Yes, Michaels carried Nash to his greatest match ever. But it wasn't at WrestleMania XI, it was at In Your House: Good Friends, Better Enemies. Though an argument could be made for Bret/Diesel at Survivor Series '95.

While there's nothing wrong with being a Savage mark it's clear, through eight WrestleManias, Savage is the all-star. Maybe the DVD sells well enough and we'll get Michaels/Savage at XXVI.


Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 02:31 PM

 
 
"Though an argument could be made for Bret/Diesel at Survivor Series '95."

That's not even the best Diesel/Hart match.

If you really want to see Savage's greatness, watch him and JYD from Wrestling Classic. JYD is just as, if not more limited than Steele was (because Steele wasn't on ridiculous loads of drugs) and Savage pulls this match into watchable territory with his bumping.


Posted By: Guest#7222 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 03:15 PM

 
 
Just to clarify on Jake Roberts...you made it sound like he told Vince in the backstage area right before the match he wanted his release. Jake made that demand well before WrestleMania and it was honored, but he always got buried/squashed/whatever. So it's not really like the Warrior since Jake did a big ass J-O-B on the way out.

Posted By: ODog (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 03:31 PM

 
 
one of the first things i ever saw from the wwf

still remember my thoughts after seein that flair-savage match - "i could get into this..."

good times, great wrestlemania


Posted By: vintageHBK (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 03:47 PM

 
 
santana - michaels was ASS.

Posted By: tully (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 03:55 PM

 
 
(shouting) "DO TO THE MAN WHAT THE MAN WOULD DO TO YOU..."

(chuckles)

(speaks quietly) "....But do it first"

I always remembered that aswell.


Posted By: peter (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 05:51 PM

 
 
The commentary from Heenan and Monsoon during the whole show is pure gold!

Posted By: Dwayne (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 05:58 PM

 
 
"Judging by drama, quality of the matches, and limited ability of the opposition, I think Savage's WM run is more impressive than HBK's. I'd be curious to see who can rationally argue against this. "

I'm an HBK mark but I also love the hell outta Savage and think he definitely deserves mention as a WM highlight. With regard to who's better...let's also not forget that Randy planned EVERY match move by move. Personally, it doesn't matter much to me, so long as I'm entertained, but if I had to draw a comparison, I'm a little more impressed by the guy that goes out there and produces those results on the fly (Michaels) than the guy who--excellent as his body of work may be, and I can't stress that enough--had his matches more carefully crafted.


Posted By: AJP (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 06:49 PM

 
 
"But, why does everyone question WM3 about attendance when this show CLEARLY did not have it going on. The entire upper deck was empty!! This is never brought up, um wow, what the hell?"

Because nobody ever claims, and WWE doesn't brag CONSTANTLY, that Wrestlemania VIII had this massive, record-breaking attendance like they did with III. Everyone acknowledges that VIII wasn't as well-attended, so...what was your point again?


Posted By: Guest#9292 (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 07:48 PM

 
 
"Because nobody ever claims, and WWE doesn't brag CONSTANTLY, that Wrestlemania VIII had this massive, record-breaking attendance like they did with III. Everyone acknowledges that VIII wasn't as well-attended, so...what was your point again?

Posted By: Guest#9292 (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 07:48 PM"
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Actually, WWF promoted the "record-setting crowd" at WM VIII for years. Not sure if it was a Hoosier Dome record or some other sort of attendance mark, but they probably promoted this 2nd most only to WMIII.

I don't doubt either attendance actually. The only people who dispute the 93,173 number is Dave Meltzer who has a long-standing, well-documented agenda against Vince McMahon, an alleged former concession stand vendor at the Silverdome, and a bunch of IWC people who live and die by Meltzer's gospel.

I'm not saying WMIII (or WM VIII or any "record setting" WWF/WWE event) isn't heavily papered, but I have no feasible reason to believe the actual numbers are not legit.


Posted By: Jason S (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 08:43 PM

 
 
"Because nobody ever claims, and WWE doesn't brag CONSTANTLY, that Wrestlemania VIII had this massive, record-breaking attendance like they did with III. Everyone acknowledges that VIII wasn't as well-attended, so...what was your point again?

Posted By: Guest#9292 (Guest) on February 24, 2009 at 07:48 PM"
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Actually, WWF promoted the "record-setting crowd" at WM VIII for years. Not sure if it was a Hoosier Dome record or some other sort of attendance mark, but they probably promoted this 2nd most only to WMIII.

I don't doubt either attendance actually. The only people who dispute the 93,173 number is Dave Meltzer who has a long-standing, well-documented agenda against Vince McMahon, an alleged former concession stand vendor at the Silverdome, and a bunch of IWC people who live and die by Meltzer's gospel.

I'm not saying WMIII (or WM VIII or any "record setting" WWF/WWE event) isn't heavily papered, but I have no feasible reason to believe the actual numbers are not legit.


Posted By: Jason S (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 10:22 PM

 
 
"Things get even crazier now as Flair confronts Liz and gives her a kiss. She fires back by slapping him, and Savage is all “That’s my Kool-Aid, bitch” and dives on Flair."

Hilarious line


Posted By: Bill (Guest)  on February 24, 2009 at 10:57 PM

 
 
I felt this show sucked on so many levels.

Posted By: Mr1700 (Guest)  on February 25, 2009 at 12:31 AM

 
 
I think it's "Do unto the man" rather than "Do it to the man" that Sid says- certainly that's what it SHOULD be, but on the other hand, it is Sid saying it, so all bets are off.

Posted By: Joey Riot (Guest)  on February 25, 2009 at 08:07 AM

 
 
"That's not even the best Diesel/Hart match."

KOTR '94? No. Rumble '95? Very good, but hurt by the finish. Gotta go with Survivor Series: a year-and-a-half's worth of buildup, the duel turnbuckle ripping, Bret tying up Diesel's legs, the figure four's ineffectiveness due to Diesel's length allowing him to reach the ropes, the first big WWF table spot, Bret's out of nowhere rollup win, Diesel's full heel turn and subsequent destruction of Bret.


Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest)  on February 25, 2009 at 11:15 AM

 
 
Nerd Alert: WM VIII was April 5, not April 7, 1992. Not that it's important. Great recap.

Posted By: Patrick (Guest)  on February 25, 2009 at 11:46 AM

 
 
1) IC Title: Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat *****
2) Career vs Career: Randy Savage vs. The Ultimate Warrior *****
3) WWF Title: Ric Flair vs. Randy Savage ****3/4
3) WWF Title: Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan ****1/2





Holy Hell... Savage Owns. Either he's the greatest worker or you're his biggest mark.
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Yeah like everyone said it's the former. Michaels may claim to me Mr. Wrestlemania but Savage has claim to that too.

Also I think all three Bret/Diesel matches are better than HBK/Diesel from Mania. As to what Bret/Nash match is the best, hmmm tough choice. I recently watched all three back-to-back and for some reason the KOTR one if my favourite, but that's probably because it was the first one I watched.


Posted By: Tim (Guest)  on February 25, 2009 at 12:09 PM

 
 
"Also I think all three Bret/Diesel matches are better than HBK/Diesel from Mania. As to what Bret/Nash match is the best, hmmm tough choice. I recently watched all three back-to-back and for some reason the KOTR one if my favourite, but that's probably because it was the first one I watched."

Yes, Michaels/Diesel from WrestleMania ain't all that great. But the IYH match kicks all kinds of ass. They did stuff you just didn't see in the WWF at that time, kind of an ECW-style match...with psychology.

As for Bret/Diesel, you really can't go wrong with any of the three. I personally like Survivor Series cos it ties up the loose ends from the previous two, but it makes for a hell of an underrated trilogy.


Posted By: neverAcquiesce (Guest)  on February 25, 2009 at 01:38 PM

 
 
Piper helps sell the idea that Bret was split legit by asking for a towel.

AWESOME HIDDEN HIGHLIGHT!


Posted By: anon (Guest)  on February 25, 2009 at 02:57 PM

 
 
I remember watching the video and the upper decks of the dome looked spotty, but not completely empty. It seemed they filled up later in the show.

I was always annoyed by the lack of ring carts and that stupid neon WWF entryway thing.


Posted By: Timmy (Guest)  on February 26, 2009 at 10:46 PM

 
 
Remember it says "Top 5 WrestleMania Matches AT THIS POINT"...as in, up to WrestleMania VIII at the moment.

Posted By: Ryushinku (Guest)  on February 27, 2009 at 10:17 AM

 


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